Hi all, Dick, what OS are you running? Reason I ask is that the TCConference software is a plugin for MSIE. It's not a big program at all. I don't know what you mean about ICE Cold and whatever. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@xxxxxxxxx WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT