[gps-talkusers] Re: Help understanding roundabouts
- From: Peter Bosher <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:21:09 +0000
Hi Malaina, and All,
A roundabout is sometimes called a traffic circle in the US I believe. It iis
a circular road with four or more roads all meeting. So, for example, instead
of a four-way junction where you can either turn left, right, or go sstraight
on, you ddrive onto the roundabout, and then go around the circle until you
come to the road you need. It is supposed to help traffic flow more smoothly,
and they are absolutely everywhere in the UK.
Like Alice, who I thought put her points with grace and clarity, I take issue
with just one thing that Charles's said. I don't think this is just one more
feature being requested by a small minority, but rather a real flaw in an
otherwise superb system. If Charles or Mike were to spend a week or two in
the UK, perhaps it would keep its rightful place on the to-do list.
Ever hopefully,
Peter
At 02:08 PM 12/20/07, you wrote:
>Could someone explain to me what a round about is? I am not sure I know what
>these are and I want to understand.
>
>Malaina
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "alice dampman" <alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:11:15 -0500
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Help understanding roundabouts
>
>>Charles,
>> You wrote:
>>"I can't for example spend all my time
>>working on just thing that may only help out a select few people
>or
>>when we release we would get hammered by those users who don't
>need
>>such an enhancement and will scream why are we forcing them to
>pay
>>for this upgrade when it only helps out some users. "
>>Quite frankly, IMO it would be better to pay attention to those
>requesting,
>>even pleading for a feature that is vital to their everyday
>navigation and
>>ignore those who scream if some feature added is not necessary to
>them. No
>>matter what you do, there are going to be some who like it, need
>it, can't
>>live without it and some who never use it. So why is this
>roundabout matter
>>any different from any other?
>> I live in Boston, and we have tons of these roundabouts all
>over the
>>place.
>>Alice
>>alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Charles LaPierre" <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:00 AM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Help understanding roundabouts
>
>
>>>Hi Carol,
>
>>>I do understand there is a difference here between a "would be
>nice cool
>>>feature" and one that makes the system more usable for people.
>Its a fine
>>>balancing act I must perform to try and satisfy all users.
>Rest assured
>>>once I set my mind to the task it will be done and done right,
>but at this
>>>point its a huge unknown how much work that will involve. I
>can't for
>>>example spend all my time working on just thing that may only
>help out a
>>>select few people or when we release we would get hammered by
>those users
>>>who don't need such an enhancement and will scream why are we
>forcing them
>>>to pay for this upgrade when it only helps out some users. I
>seem to
>>>recall an issue Humanware had with this very issue.
>>>That being said, I know how important navigating Roundabouts is
>especially
>>>outside the US and Canada where they are more common and Sendero
>will
>>>seriously consider this moving forward.
>
>>>Respectfully
>>>Charles.
>
>
>
>>>At 07:42 AM 12/19/2007, you wrote:
>>>>Charles,
>
>>>>Whilst I truthfully do understand that people are asking for
>other good
>>>>and exciting things, I think we need to be realistic here - we're
>not just
>>>>asking for this because it would be "cool", it just doesn't work
>well for
>>>>us here in the UK otherwise. In fact, for some of us it just
>doesn't work
>>>>... so the whole system therefore is very much under-used as a
>result.
>
>>>>I repeat, this is not just a "fun thing", it is a necessity!
>
>>>>I personally was a little disappointed with what I saw coming
>into 4.2
>>>>because I'd hardly call these "essentials". Perhaps when I try
>them for
>>>>myself very soon I'll be pleased with what I see; but, however
>leased I
>>>>am, these things won't make the roundabouts more understandable
>and/or
>>>>workable for me. ...
>
>>>>Please, please Charles, try to understand where we're coming
>from. Many
>>>>of us are hampered enough with roundabouts because of our lack of
>visual
>>>>concept, so we need it to be made as easy as possible for us to
>know what
>>>>to tell our drivers. We know it's a big undertaking and want to
>be as
>>>>patient as we can, but patience runs out if there appears to be
>less than
>>>>100 percent commitment to our needs here. I am sure that isn't
>the case,
>>>>so look forward to your making more headway soon.
>
>>>>--
>>>>Carol
>>>>carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
>>>><charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:37 PM
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Help understanding roundabouts
>
>
>>>>>Hi Peter,
>>>>>Glad you are excited about GPS 4.2 (even if it doesn't have
>roundabout
>>>>>exits).
>
>>>>>Truthfully I have no idea of when this will be addressed, all I
>can tell
>>>>>you it is high on our priority list, but so are a lot of other
>REALLY
>>>>>cool things others have been asking for us for years.
>
>>>>>Happy Holidays everyone!
>>>>>Charles.
>
>
>
>>>>>At 06:24 AM 12/19/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hi Charles, and All,
>
>>>>>>Since switching from Trekker a few months back , I've grown to
>love
>>>>>>Sendero GPS for ppedestrian use, and I'm excited about the 4.2
>upgrade.
>>>>>>However, when I need to help with navigation for a car journey,
>which is
>>>>>>quite often, then I have to use Wayfinder. Do you know just how
>many
>>>>>>roundabouts there are in this country? the way-point method
>you
>>>>>>mention truly isn't workable. By the time you figure out one
>>>>>>roundabout, you will already have arrived at the next one.
>
>>>>>>I truly do understand tthat it's complex, and that you are
>working on
>>>>>>it. I am just wondering whether you could give us an idea of when
>you'll
>>>>>>be able to address it, and in hopes that it keeps this high on
>your
>>>>>>priority list.
>
>>>>>> From an otherwise happy and appreciative user.
>
>>>>>>Respect,
>
>>>>>>Peter
>
>
>>>>>>At 11:32 PM 12/17/07, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Hi Catherine,
>
>>>>>>>You are correct that most mainstream products do tell you the
>exit
>>>>>>number for roundabouts but this is something not yet available
>for the
>>>>>>Sendero GPS. It is high on our priority list especially for the
>UK and
>>>>>>Australia, but as of GPS 4.2 this has not yet been implemented.
>
>>>>>>>The only option right now is you could explore the roundabout by
>>>>>>moving forward waypoint by waypoint around the roundabout and
>count the
>>>>>>number of intersections between the entrance and exit, but this
>may not
>>>>>>be always 100% accurate as it may stop at an overpass crossing
>this
>>>>>>roundabout, but as long as you are aware of that, this may help
>you
>>>>>>navigate the roundabouts.
>
>>>>>>>The command to move forward along your route waypoint by waypoint
>>>>>>is Read Up arrow on a QT or dots 2356 on a BT.
>
>>>>>>>Hope this helps
>>>>>>>Charles.
>
>>>>>>>At 03:15 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>
>>>>>>>>I think this has been discussed here before but I didn't have
>>>>>>much reason to take it in then, and I can't remember what the
>conclusion
>>>>>>was. But I'm having trouble understanding the instructions
>Sendero GPS
>>>>>>gives in a vehicle route when it comes to roundabouts. It seems
>to say
>>>>>>take the exit leading northwest or whatever - giving a compass
>>>>>>direction, and saying the name of the road. But in my experience
>both
>>>>>>from people's written/verbal instructions and from other
>(mainstream so
>>>>>>to speak) GPS systems, the number of the exit is usually given.
>Like
>>>>>>"take the second exit from the roundabout".
>
>>>>>>>>Is there any way I can tell from the instructions currently
>>>>>>given, what number the exit will be? Or must I rely on looking
>for the
>>>>>>name of the road? (If I'm in a car with a sighted driver I
>mean).
>>>>>>Because finding road names doesn't always seem possible/easy,
>whether
>>>>>>because the signage is rubbish or people don't use their eyes I
>don't
>>>>>>know - but it doesn't always work whatever the reason.
>
>>>>>>>>So I'm just wondering if anyone has any tips for understanding
>>>>>>the roundabout instructions...
>
>>>>>>>>Catherine
>
>>>>>>>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>>>>>>Sendero Group, LLC
>
>>>>>>>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
>
>
>
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>
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>>>>>>*******
>
>>>>>>Peter Bosher,
>>>>>>Email: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>http://www.soundlinks.com/
>>>>>>Tel': (+44) (0) 1494 794 797
>>>>>>Fax: (+44) (0) 1494 583 146
>>>>>>snail://
>>>>>>SoundLinks Limited,
>>>>>>43 Broadlands Avenue,
>>>>>>Chesham,
>>>>>>Bucks.
>>>>>>HP5 1AL
>>>>>>England.
>
>>>>>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>>>>Sendero Group, LLC
>
>>>>>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
>
>
>>>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>>Sendero Group, LLC
>
>>>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
>
>
>
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