My research has shown that Kyle’s approach (if I understand it correctly)
looks fine in print music but the resulting braille music score has too many
beats. We will add a warning message to GOODFEEL for such situations.
See test example attached. The braille transcription for bar 2 has too many
beats. Bar 3 looks good.
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Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:01 PM
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Subject: [goodfeel] Re: Issue with the Right Hand's The Three Notes
When Note Entry mode is active, typing the 8 on the Numbers Row (the 8 above
the letter i), enables Lime’s Add feature. With Add active, any note or notes
that you enter are added to those already present at that particular bar and
beat. Unless you enable this Add feature, any note or notes at the current bar
and beat will be replaced by any note or notes you enter.
It is important to realize that there are times when considerations for the
desired playback may differ from considerations for notating your music in
print. Generally, adding a second rhythmically independent voice will improve
readability for sighted musicians.
I will need to create a test file using Kyle’s approach so I can ask a sighted
musician about its readability. Perhaps Lime temporarily shows a second voice?
Bill
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:04 PM
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Subject: [goodfeel] Re: Issue with the Right Hand's The Three Notes
Hi, Kyle,
I don’t think I’ve ever used the 8 key before; I’ll have to review what that
key does.
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Sent: Thursday, 27 February, 2020 1:30 PM
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Subject: [goodfeel] Re: Issue with the Right Hand's The Three Notes
There’s another way you can handle that. Play see G on your keyboard as half
notes, then go back to the first C, change the note value to quarter notes,
press the number eight key and then write in your E and D.
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On Feb 27, 2020, at 2:24 PM, David Plumlee <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Adel,
I don’t have a specific example in front of me; but i’ll set up a “verbal
diagram” which should explain what I mean:
In 2/4 time on beat 1 you want C, E, G as a triad. You want C and G to be held
as half-notes, but you want the E as a quarter to move to D quarter. If on a
keyboard you press C E G then hold C and G while moving to the D, you will end
up with C, D, E, and G to be played at the same point in time. I have found
two solutions to this one: The obvious first one would be to use two voices
with one playing C and G as half notes; the other having E quarter followed by
D quarter. My second, perhaps knobby approach at least in some minds, is to
score C, E, G as quareer-notes, then C, D, G also as quarter notes. You then
tie the first C and G quarter-notes to their second occurrence.
That setup will play properly thus: When the chord is first played, all three
notes will sound; the tie on the C and G notes will keep them held while the E
quarter moves to the D quarter on beat 2 of the little 2/4 example. I have
used both of the above methods as the particular piece might suit me. If I
have a bunch of those “moving parts,” I’ll probably set up another voice to
handle them. If I already have something scored and I discover that a note is
being repeated when I didn’t want that, I’ll just go to that point and enter a
tie by pressing 9 on the typewriter keyboard and poof, the situation is fixed.
I hope this somewhat lengthy explanation gives you an idea of what I mean and
how I deal with “moving notes” in a score.
on the
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Of A Ker
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:54 PM
To: goodfeel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [goodfeel] Re: Issue with the Right Hand's The Three Notes
Hi David and the community,
May I be sure of something, please? Do you mean that those three notes held in
the right hand were written as counterpoint symbols or as simultaneous triads?
So what is your problem? Or do the three notes have short rythems?
Thank you.
Adel
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Objet : [goodfeel] Re: Embossing Your Transcription of "To a Lday Fair")
I perhaps didn’t explain things properly. “To A Lady Fair” is a piece for a
single piano with right-hand and left-hand parts, each on its staff marked as
Treble Clef and Bass Clef for Right and Left hands, respectively. The
difficulty is that there are a lot of “moving notes” in the right hand; and in
most cases, the right hand will be playing or holding three notes pretty much
through the whole piece. So I figured that I need three voices in that
right-hand part. The left hand has only two voices. At one time years ago,
when I was into Orchestra-90 for the TRS-80 Model III, which was only five
notes polyphonic, I was able to score the complete piece for playback on that
synthesizer. So there is no doubt that my piece can be scored using a total of
five voices – three in the right hand and two in the left hand.
But here is the rub! When I try to emboss the piece, I get an error indicating
that the right-hand part will be embossed as a separate line; then when I press
the Process button, it doesn’t emboss anything, and I believe I have some kind
of “violation error” but I don’t have it captured. At one point when I was
trying to emboss this piece, I once got an error message saying something to
the effect that Lime can merge only two voices, though I didn’t realize that
there was a limit at that low a number.
When I get the piece embossed, I want it in a standard braille piano score with
measure numbers at the beginning of each right-hand part – just the way a
braille piano score should appear. I wouldn’t want to pull each part out
separately on its own page.
If you need to see the score as I have it, I could attach it to a message for
you. This one has me “buffaloed”!
I will appreciate any help you can provide.
.
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Of A Ker
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:13 PM
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Subject: [goodfeel] Re: Embossing Your Transcription of "To a Lday Fair")
Salut David
If I understand, do you need to emboss each part separately? I do not clearly
understand what you mean. Basically, I think you should emboss each staff
separately in your arrangement of “To a Lady Fair”?
Thank you.
Adel
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de David Plumlee
Envoyé : 25 février 2020 17:25
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Objet : [goodfeel] A Piece That Won't Emboss
Hello, Bill and listers,
I finally got around to embossing a copy of my first Lime transcription titled,
“To A Lady Fair by David Plumlee.” It plays properly, and sighted folk have
said that it prints properly; but I cannot emboss it. One warning I received
indicated that Piano 1 will be embossed on a separate line. It did emboss once
last night, but the measure numbering embossed without any of the right-hand or
left-hand indications.
I renamed the two parts to RH and LH so that the voices became RH1, RH2, RH3,
LH1, and LH2. I got the same error that RH part would print on a separate
line, but when I clicked Process, the piece did not emboss.
The left hand has only two voices, but the right hand has three. What would I
have to do to fix the score so that it will play, print, and emboss properly?
Do I need to somehow redo the whole right-hand part so as to “weed it down” to
only two voices? That process would be rather involved, but I could probably
do that if that is required to make it emboss for me. Having proper playback
and printing, I could at least decide whether I would want to “rework” that
right-hand part; I might conclude that the task is more involved than I want
and thus decide to abandon the braille version, or I might work on it bit by
bit over time to get it done.
I can send the two version off-list to anyone who can help me figure out what
is wrong and how to fix it.
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