can i suggest that we perhaps follow a slightly more orderly approach, at least to start? folks familiar with LAD will know how conversations like this can rapidly swing into a multiplicity of different orthogonal orbits. since the purpose of the discussion is to frame the requirements for a "unified" plugin API, i'd humbly suggest that we start by listing things that we specifically do or do not like about existing plugin APIs. no solutions, no new designs - just list the things that are either problematic and need replacing/providing, or things that are so great you wouldn't want them to go away. remember non-audio/MIDI plugin APIs as well, if that seems relevant. --p ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Generalized Music Plugin Interface (GMPI) public discussion list Participation in this list is contingent upon your abiding by the following rules: Please stay on topic. You are responsible for your own words. Please respect your fellow subscribers. Please do not redistribute anyone else's words without their permission. Archive: //www.freelists.org/archives/gmpi Email gmpi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx w/ subject "unsubscribe" to unsubscribe