>>> BZZZT. Having used one such system, it is SO much better for the host to show wrapped plugins transparently. When I want to load a VSTi in a GMPI host, I do not want to find the GMPI-VST adapter, scan the VST directory, and choose a VST. I want to just load that instrument. GMPI is designed to make all those problems go away. <<< Maybe we can unwind this argument to get it back to requirements. For the benefit of "early adopter" GMPI host apps, the final GMPI standard must include wrappers that encapsulate all popular existing formats. That would mean a sample reference GMPI host app should be able to use the GMPI API to talk to VSTs, DX's, etc. For the benefit of "legacy" non-GMPI host apps, the final GMPI standard must include wrappers that encapsulate GMPI as all popular plugin standards. That would mean an application like Sound Forge should be able to use all GMPI plugins via its DirectX plugin menu. Both kinds of wrappers are required for GMPI to succeed in the near term. Otherwise we'll have a world where GMPI hosts+plugins occupy their own space in the industry, separate from VST and DX. So the final spec also needs to address the recursive wrapper problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Generalized Music Plugin Interface (GMPI) public discussion list Participation in this list is contingent upon your abiding by the following rules: Please stay on topic. You are responsible for your own words. Please respect your fellow subscribers. Please do not redistribute anyone else's words without their permission. Archive: //www.freelists.org/archives/gmpi Email gmpi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx w/ subject "unsubscribe" to unsubscribe