On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 01:40:26PM -0800, Chris Grigg wrote:>Not necessarily true. If you think of music time more as a metronome, it >keeps going.
Tempo change, time signature change...?
it speeds up or slows down. but the beats keep going. Should a beat-synced effect stop working just because the transport is stopped?
> >Transport time relates to the position within a piece of known>length.
Length of a piece is not necessarily knowable.
Yeah, I thought about that - how do we represent transport time? Or maybe we don't?
> >If we allow syncing to music time - such as a delay every beat,>then we need to consider that music time continues while transport stops OR >we need to force tempo-synced effects to convert their tempo-sync into the >master clock or real time.
Freewheeling some clock from its last known rates to achieve this kind of special case effect is not necessarily the same as knowing the true musical position.
Position is irrelevant to the passing of time. You (may) need to know how long a beat is and when the next one starts regardless of your current position. Tempo-synced effects must still work with the transport off.
> 3. How bad would it be to say that musical clocking goes away whenyou press stop? (I'm asking, not trying to be snide.) Changing time signature and tempo while stopped is kind of an odd concept, as the conductor's baton is no longer moving...
I think it's bad. I think it would show a lack of vision to allow that. I sometimes use my host as an effects rack and play stuff live through it. I expect beat-synced effects to work. If I speed up the tempo, I STILL expect them to work.
This is what I originally dubbed as metronome time. The beat number may not be siginificant, but the existance of a beat IS.
> Again I ask what the definition of 'transport controller' is. Is itjust a tempo/time-signature master, or just a play/start/stop/locate master, or is it both? If it's just a thing that's iterating (say, looping) across its own chunk of score/notation/sequencer track, then there's no reason to limit the number of them. Imagine a bunch of
I'm starting to get a better picture of what I mean. :) The transport controller manages transport start/stop/pause, playback location, and maybe shuttle speed. Most plugins won't care about transport state (except maybe shuttle speed...). So I don't see any reason to disallow it anymore..
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