[gmpi] Re: 3.15 MIDI

  • From: Chris Grigg <gmpi-public@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: gmpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:22:06 -0700

Koen said:

On Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:45 AM [GMT+1=CET],
Chris Grigg <xxxgmpi-public@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 Also, if this is to be the logic that governs what's in and what's
 out, then GMPI must do both raw MIDI and the cool new GMPI stuff,
 since we know of one plug developer who wants to process raw MIDI.
 8-)

This is a bit funny :-) You don't really think Michael is the only one who needs the things he describes below for "his" kind of music, do you?

His argument in that post, if I understood it correctly, wasn't that others felt like he did and therefore they should get their way, it was that he felt what he felt very strongly, and therefore he should get his way. As Martijn pointed out, that strikes me as a peculiar basis for group decision making, and I was trying to make that point in a somewhat gentle way, because I respect both the sentiment and the person.



No, seriously: it's not *that* uncommon, really. I've been experimenting
with these things myself a bit (I'm not a composer at all though), and Mike
just said he has needed things beyond MIDI when he was in the "experimental
music community" some time ago...
Maybe this would allow some of the "CSound-style people" (sorry for the
term) to finally enter the more broader community/market of music production
if we take their needs into account?

This part of your post is hard for me to understand, because nobody is suggesting removing all the cool new GMPI stuff in order to allow MIDI. I don't think this is an either-or issue at all.


-- Chris G.

Koen

 Who said all music is humanly performed? Are you still living in the
 twentieth century? Most music these days is assembled using software.
 There is not and should not be a limit on number of voices. Haven't you
 ever heard of granular synthesis? Are we supposed to outlaw this? Maybe
 you should only use triads, no 7ths and certainly no flat ninths. Or
 maybe you should stick to 4/4 time since that's good enough for 7/8 of
 music. Is that OK with you?

 Obviously I do now use software since I long ago discovered MIDI was
 inadequate. However, I would certainly prefer to be able to use a widely
 accepted, commercially supported protocol. I currently work in the Csound
 community where this kind of thing is perfectly routine, and everyone
 already understands these issue; but it's a small community, with a small
 output of music. I'd prefer to be part of a bigger community with more
 resources and a larger output of music -- if I don't have to give up
 capabilities.

 As I said before, I AM A COMPOSER AND I AM THE ONE WHO DECIDES WHAT IS
 ADEQUATE. I do not decide this as a programmer -- which I also am -- but
 as a musician. It is musicians who decide what is music.

 If two musicians disagree, then the only definition of music that is
 valid is one that has room for both of them.

 You may not understand this, but by denying technical validity to my
 musical requirements you are saying it's fine with you if my instruments
 are crippled. If there's no technical ability to give me what I want,
 that's OK; but we do have the ability, so it's not OK!

 It is not nice, it is not polite, and it will not work to deprecate
 someone's work or tools because it is "not normal" or "unusual". I'm not
 trying to cripple your tools, on the contrary I am actively working to
 improve them, but you are trying to cripple mine for no technical reason,
 which has the effect of marginalizing me. Get it?



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