[gha] Re: (peace from harmony) Re: +++ your donation as moral support for Global Peace??????? Why you can not find even one dollar to give moral support to global peace????
- From: Laj Utreja <lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:15:44 -0600
Dear Leo:
I was carried away in my last email and want to correct myself in one of
the paragraphs:
Even though 'peace' is subjective, because it is experiential by
nature, (please
delete this word West)
those in business (who you mostly talk about, only those who because of
greed pay no attention to human health or the health of the ecology), are
the ones who have challenged all of us (who
strive for peace and come in the way of their business) by brainwashing us
with the
idea of 'show me,' and we react with acceptance in their materialistic
attitude that everything can be
proved by science. Leo, they are smart! They know that by the time we can
have a meeting of the minds,
or even begin to make a little progress in that direction (a generation or
two, a life time for most of us,
take Gandhi for instance) they would've had time to loot all of us and the
mother Earth.
And we squabble over petty things by being the first in an idea. It may not
always be the right thing to do.
Regards,
Laj
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Laj Utreja <lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Leo:
>
> Calm down!
> I respond to you because I know you for a long time and in a personal
> way like no one else. I, too, had parents (Hindus), who, after the
> partition
> of India had to flee the present day Pakistan (mostly Muslims) leaving all
> of
> their belongings there for fear of their lives. They'd seen the loss of
> thousands
> of lives in a mass exodus, a historical event that the history has done no
> justice reporting it.
> Correspondingly, and by nature, I, too do not support any idea that is
> linked to war.
>
> Having said that, Peace means acceptance of all even those who have ideas
> contrary to ours, and our reaction in a manner of jumping to ficticious
> conclusions
> may not always be the right thing to do.
>
> Science once again is a system of verifiable observations.
> Global peace, once again is an ideal, but not pragmatic.
> Let us not go too far. How many people you know are at peace.
> And those, who are at peace, have no need to come out from their hiding
> and declare that they are at peace. However, striving for the world peace
> is the right thing to do.
>
> Even though 'peace' is subjective, because it is experiential by nature,
> the West and mostly
> those in business (who you mostly talk about), are the ones who have
> challenged all of us (who
> strive for peace and come in the way of their business) by brainwashing us
> with the
> idea of 'show me,' and we react with acceptance in their materialistic
> attitude that everything can be
> proved by science. Leo, they are smart! They know that by the time we can
> have a meeting of the minds,
> or even begin to make a little progress in that direction (a generation or
> two, a life time for most of us,
> take Gandhi for instance) they would've had time to loot all of us and the
> mother Earth.
> And we squabble over petty things by being the first in an idea. It may
> not always be the right thing to do.
>
> Science cannot win over personal experiences of ecstacy of an orgasm,
> thrill of an adventure,
> joy from a baby talk, sorrow of a loss of life, or peace of a silence.
> That's where God is.
> And by getting excited over an idea of having discovered a 'God particle
> (Higgs Boson),' one in a
> trillion chance (the population of our planet is ~ 7B) of calling it a
> science. Give me a break!
> Peace is as elusive as God, and is, and is as close as it was never away
> from us. It has to be experienced.
> It may be the right thing to do.
>
> I'll send you $50.00 for the book on Global Peace that accepts all ideas
> about peace, not under
> the compulsion of morality, but because it is the right thing to do.
>
> Love and regards,
> Laj
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dear Laj,
>>
>> The principled answer to your letter gives my message about the approval
>> of the 50th GHA project on donations. I will briefly answer below your
>> specific opinion.
>>
>> "*Peace is very subjective and making a science of something that is
>> experiential by nature is flawed*". - If you think that peace is only
>> the subjective and the science of it is defective and flawed, then why do
>> you write articles for SCIENCE of global peace? This is your personal deep
>> contradiction. Please, solve it yourself.
>>
>> "*Being peaceful and harmonious by nature, I'd never use that adjective
>> for a fellow scientist and a friend*." - Do you against critics between
>> scientists and friends? Or you put yourself beyond criticism? Science of
>> harmonious peace, as any science, cannot be beyond criticism and your
>> letters demonstrate your criticism of this science as criticism of my
>> position. It's good. But do not take away this right from others to
>> criticize your position. This is badly.
>>
>> "*Morality has got nothing to do with monetary contribution*". - This is
>> your profound individual delusion. When other people donate one dollar to
>> orphans, or poor, or spiritual temple and etc. that is a moral support to
>> these people. You obviously have not had such an experience in your life,
>> therefore you saying so categorically it as the absolute truth. The
>> humanity experience refutes it as a lie. When you state as total truth :
>> "*Morality
>> has got nothing to do with monetary contribution*", then you create an
>> entire ideology of greed as a moral justification for militarism, which
>> generously spends on war trillions of dollars annually. Your ideology will
>> not allow you to recognize the immoral any military monetary contribution
>> every in the military genocide of American Indians or Jews by the Nazis and
>> etc.
>>
>> "*I lend my moral support to global peace by consenting to accept
>> individual articles*". This contradicts your first statement. If the
>> science of peace is defect and its cannot be, then why you write the
>> articles for it? Secondly, every children already understand the difference
>> between word and deed. Your article is the support by word, and your one
>> dollar that you cannot donate to global peace is the support by deed,
>> practice, and the life fact. Why we do not see your moral support of global
>> peace by deed? Moreover, why do you protest against this support, creating
>> a whole ideology of greed?
>>
>> "*As a peace loving person, I've given my detailed public response in a
>> very polite manner my last two emails*." If you are really "peace loving
>> person" with "a very polite manner", then why you in the "very polite
>> manner" neglect over a year by the GHA question about financing your
>> Institute? If you find financing for it, please, let us, your brothers in
>> peace and harmony, to joy this good news. You could also recommend the
>> source of your funding to GHA it can use it as well. You could also
>> allocate at least a small portion of your money to your brothers in peace
>> and harmony of the GHA for the GPS project. Why we do not see this in the
>> "very polite manner"? Why we see instead it the closed, opaque,
>> non-transparency and undemocratic manner in your "very polite manner"? This
>> is the essence of your "very polite manner"? You know very well how people
>> name similar manner. We have been asked you many times about it. Maybe you
>> and this time will be silent in a "very polite manner"? What lies behind it
>> we already knew. The same thing that at Glen Martin, Norman Kurland, Robert
>> Crane and other wealthy Americans who could not find even one dollar to
>> give moral support to global peace. What is there more to say? I can in
>> this situation only repeat the old as world truth, briefly expressed
>> Michelangelo: ACTS I WANT, NOT THE WORDS! Best wishes of peace from to you
>> in your deeds and not just in the words in "a very polite manner",
>>
>> Best harmony wishes,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> Dr Leo Semashko:
>> State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
>> Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
>> Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
>> Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
>> Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
>> Global Peace Science from Harmony:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585 and
>> In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
>> World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
>> GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
>> GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
>> My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
>> Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
>> Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 19 февраля 2014 г., 22:25:32
>> Subject: +++ your donation
>>
>> Dear Leo:
>>
>> Please see my answers in the red.
>>
>> You are one of the GHA leaders its Vice - President. Now there is a
>> discussion of a very important project for the GHA and for fate of our
>> book: Global Peace Science (GPS). In my letters of last year I'd openly
>> explained that peace is very subjective and making a science of something
>> that is experiential by nature is flawed. Methods of science only prescribe
>> to making observations (by senses of perception and not inner feelings),
>> and proving them to be consistent in certain domains of space and time, and
>> not necessarily reporting personal experiences of feeling peace). Your
>> example is very important for GHA members.
>>
>> Why you are silent (I'm not silent. As a peace loving person, I've given
>> my detailed public response in a very polite manner my last two emails) about
>> this project and about your donation to GPS? It is a bad (Being peaceful
>> and harmonious by nature, I'd never use that adjective for a fellow
>> scientist and a friend.) example. Please give a good example: we all are
>> waiting for your *public* response about the project and your donation:
>> what is its sum (it can be $1000 or $200 or $100 or $10 or $1) and when we
>> can get it? This will be your great *moral* (morality has got nothing to
>> do with monetary contribution) contribution and your *moral* (moral
>> refers to distinction between right and wrong in conduct, serving to teach
>> principles of right and wrong, good or right in conduct or character, also
>> designating support that involves approval without action) support (I
>> lend my moral support to global peace by consenting to accept individual
>> articles that provide genuine attempts or offer solutions to bring peace
>> knowing fully well that peace is subjective and not a science. “Wrong
>> does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.” ― Leo
>> Tolstoy <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/128382.Leo_Tolstoy>, A
>> Confession <http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2847065>) to for Global
>> Peace. Could we receive it from you?
>>
>> Thank you for your *public* response (As a peace loving person, I've
>> given my detailed public response in a very polite manner my last two
>> emails). It is now the most important thing for the GHA *and for you
>> personally* as its leader.
>>
>> With love, best harmony wishes,
>>
>> Love and regards,
>> Laj
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> Dear Laj,
>>
>> Thanks for your interesting comments but now is more important question.
>>
>> You are one of the GHA leaders its Vice - President. Now there is a
>> discussion of a very important project for the GHA and for fate of our
>> book: Global Peace Science (GPS). Your example is very important for GHA
>> members.
>>
>> Why you are silent about this project and about your donation to GPS? It
>> is a bad example. Please give a good example: we all are waiting for your
>> *public* response about the project and your donation: what is its sum
>> (it can be $1000 or $200 or $100 or $10 or $1) and when we can get it? This
>> will be your great *moral* contribution and your *moral* support for
>> Global Peace. Could we receive it from you?
>>
>> Thank you for your *public* response. It is now the most important thing
>> for the GHA *and for you personally* as its leader.
>>
>> With love, best harmony wishes,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Laj Utreja, peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 9 февраля 2014 г., 21:04:07
>> Subject: (peace from harmony) Re: Article +++ Individualism and
>> communitarianism in harmony
>>
>>
>> Dear Leo:
>>
>> I'll send you another article, "The genesis and fall of social orders for
>> social harmony in Vedic India" soon.
>>
>> My comments in the last email are consistent with the Vedic Varnashram
>> system and your system of Tetrasociology
>> (Both differ to the extent of details of job classifications to suit the
>> prevailing social conditions).
>> My views on harmony are not strictly my interpretation of harmony, but
>> yours, Vedic and universal as well, in which
>> all classes of people in a society must do work (based on their interest
>> and skills) and be so recognized and accepted.
>> And then they stay in harmony, because all the needs of the society and
>> the people are being fulfilled and all are
>> appropriately compensated. Moreover, no overly credit is given to one
>> profession at the cost of rating the other so low as to lose human dignity.
>>
>> However, individualism based only on self promotion (I'm the most
>> capable), selfish interest (I'm worth it),
>> and personal good (I'm better than everyone else, so I deserve it) at the
>> cost of the society (especially its
>> vulnerability to pleasure which may disintegrate its traditions, culture,
>> or what have you) is what the
>> current political and economic systems are encouraging. This is based on
>> systematic exploitation of human ego
>> and human sensuousness by development of systems to take roots and allow
>> adequate time to become appealing,
>> until we all fall prey and then they get you.
>>
>> Above all common sense is more important than any theory, reason or
>> faith. Leo Tolstoy said the following:
>> “Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.” ― Leo
>> Tolstoy <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/128382.Leo_Tolstoy>, A
>> Confession <http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2847065>
>>
>>
>> * *Love and regards,
>> Laj
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Laj,
>>
>> Many thanks for your kind words and poems. We are looking forward to your
>> other article devoted to the Vedas and peace from harmony.
>>
>> Your comments express the individualistic interpretation of harmony. But
>> social harmony is impossible without social (communitarian) side.
>> Individualism and communitarianism are two inseparable aspects of social
>> harmony. Each, separately from the other, does not make sense.
>>
>> Harmfulness of individualism emphasized many philosophers. "Taylor (as
>> well as Alasdair MacIntyre, Michael Walzer, Michael Sandel, and Gad
>> Barzilai) is associated with a communitarian critique of liberal theory's
>> understanding of the "self." Communitarians emphasize the importance of
>> social institutions in the development of individual meaning and identity" (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_ (philosopher).
>>
>> Charles Taylor (Taylor, C 1991, *The Ethics of Authenticity*, Harvard
>> University Press , Cambridge, Massachusetts and London, England) says that
>> Western Civilization is dying because of individualism. Therefore,
>> individualism, separated from communitarianism is death and not harmony.
>>
>> We, the GHA, in our new book Global Peace Science (GPS) say that this
>> science is not possible without ethics of communitarianism, without ethics
>> of compassion for humanity, drowning in militarism, hence without ethics of
>> individual self-sacrifice for the common good of mankind. If we demonstrate
>> only individualism and not demonstrate this ethic, we neglect by compassion
>> to humanity and global peace, i.e. we actually find ourselves by silent
>> practical militarists, though bathed in a peaceful, harmonious and
>> individualistic rhetoric.
>>
>> I think we have to worry not only about the individual but also about
>> society and its common good, which cannot be without sacrifice and
>> donations, though tiny, at least 200-500 or 1000 dollars. But unfortunately
>> we do not see, with very rare exceptions, even such compassion and
>> self-sacrifice for the sake of global peace as the first common good, even
>> among members of the GHA, who consider themselves as peacemakers. Do you
>> consider this as normal and ethical norm for our harmony?
>>
>> As for your idea of foundations and grants, I have already said that we
>> addressed during the year in more than a hundred institutions, but have not
>> received any response. You, as you told us, also looking for funding for
>> your wonderful Institute of Harmony about two years, with the publication
>> of *the ABC of Harmony*, which launched it. It's good. But we did not
>> hear from you any messages that you can find any funding or grant. Or do
>> you keep it a secret? If you have such a positive experience, please share
>> it with us, please, be compassionate to your friends and colleagues from
>> the GHA. Thank you.
>>
>> With love, best harmony wishes,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> Dr Leo Semashko:
>> State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
>> Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
>> Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
>> Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
>> Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
>> Global Peace Science from Harmony:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585 and
>> In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
>> World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
>> GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
>> GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
>> My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
>> Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
>> Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 7 февраля 2014 г., 20:01:45
>> Subject: [gha] Re: (peace from harmony) Re: Article
>>
>> Dear Leo:
>>
>> I hope and pray you are in good health and cheers.
>> I submit to you the attached two poems and definitions of acceptance and
>> tolerance for consideration.
>>
>> I submit the following response to your comments:
>>
>> *Comment One *1. Global harmony results from recognition and acceptance
>> of the uniqueness of each element and
>> being that forms and inhabits the globe.
>> 2. Together, in the GHA, we seek to create harmony of all elements and
>> beings to achieve peace.
>> 3. Each one of us is limited, and therefore is unique in style and
>> substance to contribute to the society at large.
>> 4. Rather than inhibiting individual style and substance by merging into
>> one, which loses the uniqueness of that individual,
>> let each style and substance bloom in its own shape and fragrance and
>> we all enjoy that in harmony.
>> 5. The world will not stand by and not accept the suitable one, but each
>> one has a place for harmony, and each one will become suitable in
>> its own time and place.
>>
>> *Comment Two *1. There are many of us, who can and yet abstain from
>> contributing. For the sake of harmony, we must respect that view.
>> 2. There are many of us, who can't and under pressure may do so
>> compromising their life-style. For the sake of harmony, we must not
>> stress that individual circumstance.
>> 3. If this is an academic study, we need to find a a suitable agency,
>> which may accept to fund this under a grant and then carry out
>> research in a university set-up.
>> 4. For the pursuit of exploration of the idea, we need to approach a
>> suitable foundation, which may accept to explore the idea
>> further for its application.
>>
>> With love and regards,
>> Laj
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Laj,
>>
>> Excuse my delay, please.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your interesting article with bibliography for
>> GPS: "
>>
>>
>>
>> *Creating Harmonious Civilization – A New Paradigm in Education" Please,
>> let me a little correction for the title as: Creating Harmonious
>> Civilization through Global Peace – A New Paradigm in Education. - Do you
>> agree with it? *Another question: What do you think about donation as a
>> way to finance our GPS book and about your personal donation? Could you
>> suggest other way to finance our GPS?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> With love, best harmony wishes,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> Dr Leo Semashko:
>> State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
>> Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
>> Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
>> Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
>> Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
>> Global Peace Science from Harmony:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585 and
>> In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
>> World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
>> GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
>> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
>> GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
>> My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
>> Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
>> Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 3 февраля 2014 г., 20:59:39
>> Subject: Article
>>
>> Dear Leo:
>> Attached is one of my articles for our book.
>> I'd send you the second in a week.
>> Regards,
>> Laj
>> --
>>
>> *Dr. Laj Utreja *Director, Institute of Global Harmony
>> Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
>> Tel: 08003044016
>> http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
>> http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
>> http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Dr. Laj Utreja *Director, Institute of Global Harmony
>> Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
>> Tel: 08003044016
>> http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
>> http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
>> http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Dr. Laj Utreja *Director, Institute of Global Harmony
>> Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
>> Tel: 08003044016
>> http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
>> http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
>> http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Dr. Laj Utreja *Director, Institute of Global Harmony
>> Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
>> Tel: 08003044016
>> http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
>> http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
>> http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
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> *Dr. Laj Utreja *
> Director, Institute of Global Harmony
> Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
> Tel: 08003044016
> http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
> http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
> http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
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*Dr. Laj Utreja *
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
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