[gha] Re: (peace from harmony) Re: Some Thoughts of First Two Chapters + + Our discussion is prolonged until May 31
- From: Takis Ioannides <takis.ioannides@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:26:44 +0300
Dear Leo,
I do like you as you use the democratic way to built this book.
I brought in my mind the story of king of Elis Ifios, now. I have published
this important story in a book of mine some years ago. athletics is coming
fro the word athos, which means excess of myself, of my EGO.
I can add this part in my article and resend it, if you accept it, as I
have accepted the rules apply for this book.
Lets be optimist and continue to buid this book.
We here in Greece meet so many problems of survival, you cannot imagine it.
But we keep trying to do our best
as it happened many times in our historic past.
Let;s do our best for this book.
with harmonious wishes love and peace
takis
ps Im 4 days now in the hosppital for my mama, but I follow the discussion
via ipad.
2014-05-28 15:14 GMT+03:00 Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Dear Takis,
>
> Thank you very much for your support of GPS and your more ideas into it.
>
> We can agree with you that in the stone soul of politicians the seeds of
> peace not flourish. But we cannot agree with your extreme that "*The
> belief that education will make people able to adopt peace, is a fallacy.
> Politicians are very educated* …".
>
> We recognize only one, non-violent way to peace through education, which
> gives people the science, culture, faith, philosophy, art, politics and law
> of peace. Another thing is that this true peace education is only in its
> embryo, which is still missing its core - GPS, we only create more.
> Therefore, education of policymakers is, par excellence, the military and
> not peaceful. Because education is teaching not only good but also bad
> things. Similarly with science, the fruits of which are used in two ways:
> for the benefit and to the detriment of humanity. In addition, bad science
> develops rather than useful, for example, military science was created 200
> years ago and peace science has not been created so far and GHA only
> creates it now almost alone without the support of other peace
> organizations because of the limitations of their traditional thinking. We
> will show it in our GPS.
>
> Of course, you're right, that true peace education of children need in
> school and family to have peace and we could choose peace politicians
> without ignorance in peace and harmony. I agree with you that only such
> education can grow peaceful SOUL CULTURE. I will be happy to publish your
> article (in an edited and abridged form) about it in GPS book. But I have
> not found in your article, unfortunately, nothing about the king of the
> ancient city of Elis Ifitos, who revived the Olympic Games for peace. Could
> you write about this king in more detail in your article?
>
> With regard to the present European Union, its disasters and poverty some
> of its members, such as Greece, Bulgaria and etc., it is also, in my
> opinion, the reason for the lack of a unified science of harmony and peace.
> Without this science (GPS) the EU, in my estimation, will collapse in the
> near future. Unfortunately, the leaders of the EU are far from
> understanding the need of this science as the population of these
> countries. Without this science cannot be sustained harmony, lasting peace
> and prosperity for all the peoples in Europe and worldwide. Could you, as a
> journalist, promote this idea for European politicians and the population?
> It would be your great contribution to GPS. Thank you.
>
>
> With love, best harmony wishes,
>
> Leo
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Takis Ioannides, takis.ioannides@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 26 мая 2014 г., 23:27:13
> Subject: [gha] Re: (peace from harmony) Re: Some Thoughts of First Two
> Chapters + + Our discussion is prolonged until May 31
>
> Dear Leo and co-peace makers of GHA sisters and brothers in soul,
>
> please find below my approach to the deep questions, as follow, with a
> crtical addition,
>
> How to involve the governments and leaders in the new peace thinking with
> peace classification of the population?
>
> That’s a very good question.
>
> If we accept that in every rule there are exceptions, I believe that
> nowadays the governments of the nations do not want peace, and this is
> evidenced by their practices. Some nations attack to other nations, they
> conquered them with weapons, or money buying politicians or exercise
> tyranny.
>
> If we take the seeds of a plant in granite, the plant will not flourish.
> In my opinion politicians are like granite, so the seeds of peace can not
> be flourished in stone souls. The belief that education will make people
> able to adopt peace, is a fallacy. Politicians are very educated, like
> whoever scientists who have the knowledge and manufacture weapons, nuclear,
> biological weapons, mutated, etc. they all don’t care about peace, at all.
>
> The implementation of grabbing the money , the raw materials , the soils
> of a country , as it happens currently in my country Greece , brought
> hunger and poverty , desperation and fear in humans. How these people can
> be considered free citizens , to think freely , to be interested in the
> concept and practice of peace under such adverse conditions? Look at
> yesterday's results of elections in Europe. How then can be convinced us
> that the Europe of unemployment and hunger is no peace . who manages
> Europe. The governments.
>
> So, the governments have no will to educate the population properly about
> peace, but the opposite.
> The year 775 b.C. king of the ancient city of Elis Ifitos sent a messenger
> to the oracle of Delphi to ask the oracle Pythia, what will bring harmony
> and peace in the Greek cities societies. Τhe oracle of Delphi proposed to
> revive the Olympic Competitions, and to crown the winners with a branch of
> wild olive. this award was called kotinos. “Kotinos” occurres from the
> Greek world “kotos” which is the highest level of a mix of malice plus
> rancor, odium and bad blood in the soul of humans.
> *At the same time, as it is common in the Greek language,
> it has also an opposite meaning. “Noble* *Rivalry” , which is the offer
> of sport to triptych body, spirit, society. Rivalry means striving for
> excellence, competition for supremacy. The adjective 'noble' identifies the
> guileless, without self-interest nature of this effort. The rivalry,
> therefore, requires collective activity in which they can compete.*
>
> *The outcome of every human activity depends on the historically subdued
> level. This grows from the ever increasing efforts of people working on it
> during its history. They occupy increasingly higher performance by
> competing them. The highest performance, in turn, becomes the measure for
> this activity. By exceeding each time the measure is evolving. *During
> the competition the runner for example was trying to win the not the other
> runners but himself. That was the real meaning of Olympic Competitions.
> * In other words the competitor tries to win his ego, and not his
> adversary. *
> So Ifitos, the legislator Lycurgus of Sparta and Kleisthenis of Pisa made
> the vast antiwar triumph of antiquity. They concluded a treaty term, the
> Sacred Truce, which was respected by the Greeks all around and applied as
> an inviolable rule of international law, even in the dramatic conflicts of
> the ancient world. With this Sacred Truce the area of Olympia and Elis
> declared as sacrosanct denied crossing troops from there lands and set the
> Sacred Month of the Olympic Games, during which they stop all hostilities.
>
> That’s why I insist for the SOUL CULTUR , and I sent my article for the
> GPS based on this. This I think may reach also the second good question,
> the psychology of peace.
>
> Of course we can not compare the governers like Iphitus, Cleisthenes and
> Lycurgus, with the current politicians and rulers. But if we can educate
> directly the people, especially children in schools and in families with
> the idea of Peace, then I believe that we will achieve our target, not via
> the current rulers and politicians I repeat.
> The knowledge nowadays is spread out via internet, reaching citizens and
> children. But If we manage to enter the GPS book in the universities, it
> will be a great achievement.
>
> with haronious wishes and Love
> Takis Ioannides
>
>
> 2014-05-26 21:59 GMT+03:00 Takis Ioannides <takis.ioannides@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >:
> Drar Leo and co0peace makers of GHA sisters and brothers in soul,
>
> please find below my approach to the deep questions, as follow,
>
>
>
> *How to involve the governments and leaders in the new peace thinking with
> peace classification of the population? *That’s a very good question.
>
> If we accept that in every rule there are exceptions, I believe that
> nowadays the governments of the nations do not want peace, and this is
> evidenced by their practices. Some nations attack to other nations, they
> conquered them with weapons, or money buying politicians or exercise
> tyranny.
>
> If we take the seeds of a plant in granite, the plant will not flourish.
> In my opinion politicians are like granite, so the seeds of peace can not
> be flourished in stone souls. The belief that education will make people
> able to adopt peace, is a fallacy. Politicians are very educated, like
> whoever scientists who have the knowledge and manufacture weapons, nuclear,
> biological weapons, mutated, etc. they all don’t care about peace, at all.
>
> The implementation of grabbing the money , the raw materials , the soils
> of a country , as it happens currently in my country Greece , brought
> hunger and poverty , desperation and fear in humans. How these people can
> be considered free citizens , to think freely , to be interested in the
> concept and practice of peace under such adverse conditions? Look at
> yesterday's results of elections in Europe. How then can be convinced us
> that the Europe of unemployment and hunger is no peace . who manages
> Europe. The governments.
>
> So, the governments have no will to educate the population properly about
> peace, but the opposite.
> The year 775 b.C. king of the ancient city of Elis Ifitos sent a messenger
> to the oracle of Delphi to ask the oracle Pythia, what will bring harmony
> and peace in the Greek cities societies. Τhe oracle of Delphi proposed to
> revive the Olympic Competitions, and to crown the winners with a branch of
> wild olive. this award was called kotinos. “Kotinos” occurres from the
> Greek world “kotos” which is the highest level of a mix of malice plus
> rancor, odium and bad blood in the soul of humans. During the competition
> the runner for example was trying to win the other runners by himself. That
> was the real meaning of Olympic Competitions.
>
> So Ifitos, the legislator Lycurgus of Sparta and Kleisthenis of Pisa made
> the vast antiwar triumph of antiquity. They concluded a treaty term, the
> Sacred Truce, which was respected by the Greeks all around and applied as
> an inviolable rule of international law, even in the dramatic conflicts of
> the ancient world. With this Sacred Truce the area of Olympia and Elis
> declared as sacrosanct denied crossing troops from there lands and set the
> Sacred Month of the Olympic Games, during which they stop all hostilities.
>
> That’s why I insist for the SOUL CULTUR , and I sent my article for the
> GPS based on this. This I think may reach also the second good question,
>
> *the psychology of peace. *Of course we can not compare the governers
> like Iphitus, Cleisthenes and Lycurgus, with the current politicians and
> rulers. But if we can educate directly the people, especially children in
> schools and in families with the idea of Peace, then I believe that we will
> achieve our target, not via the current rulers and politicians I repeat.
> The knowledge nowadays is spread out via internet, reaching citizens and
> children. But If we manage to enter the GPS book in the universities, it
> will be a great achievement.
>
> with haronious wishes and Love
> Takis Ioannides
>
> ps tomorrow morning my mother will make a critical abdominal surgery. I
> shall try during nights to find time to contribute to two chaptres of GPS
> book till 31 May.
>
>
>
> 2014-05-26 11:21 GMT+03:00 Takis Ioannides <takis.ioannides@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >:
>
> Dear Leo and co peace makers of GHA.
> About the first question I think I have the answer, coming from the order
> given by Delfi to king of city of ilida Ifitos, in order to bring peace and
> progress of the Greek cities-kindoms, via OLYMPIC competitions, not games.
> When i return home tonight from the hospital I shall sent it to you. I
> have mentioned this in a book of mine.
>
> About the phsyhology of peace, i describe it via my essay i sent for the
> GPS book.
>
> Sorry i have to stop my message here, problem....
>
> With peace and love
> Takis
>
> Στις Παρασκευή, 23 Μαΐου 2014, ο χρήστης Leo Semashko
> leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx [peace-from-harmony] <
> peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> έγραψε:
>
> Dear Bruce,
>
> Many thanks for your deep thoughts and kind words of support and also for
> your editing.
>
> You put some very important questions that I do not have the clear answers
> now.
>
> The first question is how to involve the governments and leaders in the
> new peace thinking with peace classification of the population? The first
> thing that is required here - it is change in education, as we have talked
> a lot in the GHA. Second - this is understanding of the political
> importance of such thinking. Third - it's understanding of the advantages
> of the new thinking of spheres and SPHERONS. Of course, it sounds very
> abstract yet but a more specific answer I do not have now.
>
> The second question is the psychology of peace. This is another science,
> although it is closely linked with GPS. This requires the private
> approaches similar to Galtung, etc. Every new theory not only solves the
> old problem but also raises the new questions, which takes many time to
> answer them and test those answers. This will be our next step.
>
> With love, best harmony wishes,
>
> Leo
>
> Dr Leo Semashko:
> State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
> Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
> Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
> Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
> Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
> Global Peace Science from Harmony:
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> In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
> World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
> www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Cook, AuthorMe.com, cookcomm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 21 мая 2014 г., 17:36:40
> Subject: [gha] Some Thoughts of First Two Chapters
>
> Dear members,
>
> Leo has asked me to share some thoughts on the first two chapters of the
> GHA's new book, which I have edited.
>
> Perhaps others in the group will have a similar reaction.
>
> First, I believe we should state that our purpose is to create harmony in
> the world. And our individual articles in the book will suggest some ways
> in which that may be made more possible.
>
> With regard to the chapters themselves, I admire the intricate structuring
> Leo has devoted to his theory of Global Peace Science. My problem lies
> with the *purpose* of the categories he describes in the complexity of
> his theory. I also admire his objectivity in presenting the theory.
>
> Naturally we can argue that there are various "classes" of people in every
> country of the world. And the world's census workers constantly work to
> refine these categories, especially the areas of employment, which is
> contrasted with age, sex, race, culture. Leo has created a separate
> classificatory system in which it is easier to pinpoint those in the
> world's populations who might be categorized as peacemakers. As Leo
> observes, until this peaceful mindset is adopted, the existing militaristic
> mindset is most like to prevail.
>
> What's missing, for me, is the jump between these classifications and the
> leadership of nations. For example, it's possible (and very likely) to have
> a nation with almost 100% of the population in agreement with a peaceful
> mindset. But, as we all know, the leaders of nations feel themselves in
> competition for power in relationship with leaders of other nations and
> tend to become obsessed with their personal charisma (like a Hollywood
> actor or singer on drugs). In that situation, despite the most favorable
> sociological classifications, peace takes second place. And our problem
> becomes how to handle these power brokers. How to persuade them to work
> with each other in productive ways. Thus, we find ourselves discussing
> conflict resolution and psychology, etc. in the school of thought founded
> by Johan Galtung. And, above all, how to persuade leaders to avoid killing
> people as a measure of a success.
>
> But I lack the sociological perspective that seems to cover this lapse.
> Perhaps there is some way in which classifying people in a new way will
> lead to harmony and peace. If so, I endorse the exercise. I will do my best
> to edit the book to help clarify everyone's ideas.
>
> Yours in pursuit of harmony and peace,
>
>
> Bruce
> Bruce L. Cook, Ph.D.
> President, GHA-USA
> Vice-President, GHA
> Director of CSSS Publishing and Editorial team
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