[gha] Re: ++ one practical question only
- From: Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Laj Utreja <lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:07:43 +0400
Dear Laj,
Each of us has own life experience and their philosophy of life. Naturally,
they are different at us. Each of us expressed his own opinion and we each
criticize the other. It's good.
But I try to limit our conversation now only one, very important and key issue
- the question of donations, which on the one hand, are the moral support of
Global Peace, and on the other - a necessary means to prepare our book about
Global Peace Science (GPS).
Thank you very much for your moral support in the $ 50, which we appreciate. On
the other hand, it is insufficient to prepare our book. Your donation is
comparable to Heli’s donation from Rwanda and other members of the GHA of the
poorest countries. But you live in the U.S., which is the richest country and
you could explain your situation. As such, I explained my situation: I donated
1000 dollars - it is THREE my monthly pensions. Maybe your $ 50 also is your
monthly pension or your income as a whole? Your explanation (as some others)
would be ethical and would make clear and transparent the inevitable comparison
of donations in our list if we are brothers in spirit and one team in the
creation of our science (GPS), whose members voluntarily and fairly distribute
their capabilities. This would eliminate the bitter consciousness that the rich
in this project also live at the expense of the poor as always and everywhere.
In addition, we observe the fifth time as you ignore (WHY?) my (our) question
about financing your Institute and opportunities of your help from this source.
It is very narrow but today is a very important practical question. Could we
hope for your answers to these questions without philosophy? Could you help
fund a statistical study, without which the GPS book will not exist? It is
today a key issue. This is not “petty things”, as you wrote. And if it is for
you “petty thing”, please decide it. Thank you for the answer only this,
practical question.
With love, best harmony wishes,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
Global Peace Science from Harmony: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585
and
In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
----- Original Message -----
From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 25 февраля 2014 г., 0:15:44
Subject: (peace from harmony) Re: +++ your donation as moral support for
Global Peace??????? Why you can not find even one dollar to give moral support
to global peace????
Dear Leo:
I was carried away in my last email and want to correct myself in one of the
paragraphs:
Even though 'peace' is subjective, because it is experiential by nature,
(please delete this word West)
those in business (who you mostly talk about, only those who because of greed
pay no attention to human health or the health of the ecology), are the ones
who have challenged all of us (who
strive for peace and come in the way of their business) by brainwashing us with
the
idea of 'show me,' and we react with acceptance in their materialistic attitude
that everything can be
proved by science. Leo, they are smart! They know that by the time we can have
a meeting of the minds,
or even begin to make a little progress in that direction (a generation or two,
a life time for most of us,
take Gandhi for instance) they would've had time to loot all of us and the
mother Earth.
And we squabble over petty things by being the first in an idea. It may not
always be the right thing to do.
Regards,
Laj
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Laj Utreja <lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Leo:
Calm down!
I respond to you because I know you for a long time and in a personal
way like no one else. I, too, had parents (Hindus), who, after the partition
of India had to flee the present day Pakistan (mostly Muslims) leaving all of
their belongings there for fear of their lives. They'd seen the loss of
thousands
of lives in a mass exodus, a historical event that the history has done no
justice reporting it.
Correspondingly, and by nature, I, too do not support any idea that is linked
to war.
Having said that, Peace means acceptance of all even those who have ideas
contrary to ours, and our reaction in a manner of jumping to ficticious
conclusions
may not always be the right thing to do.
Science once again is a system of verifiable observations.
Global peace, once again is an ideal, but not pragmatic.
Let us not go too far. How many people you know are at peace.
And those, who are at peace, have no need to come out from their hiding
and declare that they are at peace. However, striving for the world peace is
the right thing to do.
Even though 'peace' is subjective, because it is experiential by nature, the
West and mostly
those in business (who you mostly talk about), are the ones who have challenged
all of us (who
strive for peace and come in the way of their business) by brainwashing us with
the
idea of 'show me,' and we react with acceptance in their materialistic attitude
that everything can be
proved by science. Leo, they are smart! They know that by the time we can have
a meeting of the minds,
or even begin to make a little progress in that direction (a generation or two,
a life time for most of us,
take Gandhi for instance) they would've had time to loot all of us and the
mother Earth.
And we squabble over petty things by being the first in an idea. It may not
always be the right thing to do.
Science cannot win over personal experiences of ecstacy of an orgasm, thrill of
an adventure,
joy from a baby talk, sorrow of a loss of life, or peace of a silence. That's
where God is.
And by getting excited over an idea of having discovered a 'God particle (Higgs
Boson),' one in a
trillion chance (the population of our planet is ~ 7B) of calling it a science.
Give me a break!
Peace is as elusive as God, and is, and is as close as it was never away from
us. It has to be experienced.
It may be the right thing to do.
I'll send you $50.00 for the book on Global Peace that accepts all ideas about
peace, not under
the compulsion of morality, but because it is the right thing to do.
Love and regards,
Laj
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Laj,
The principled answer to your letter gives my message about the approval of the
50th GHA project on donations. I will briefly answer below your specific
opinion.
"Peace is very subjective and making a science of something that is
experiential by nature is flawed". - If you think that peace is only the
subjective and the science of it is defective and flawed, then why do you write
articles for SCIENCE of global peace? This is your personal deep contradiction.
Please, solve it yourself.
"Being peaceful and harmonious by nature, I'd never use that adjective for a
fellow scientist and a friend." - Do you against critics between scientists and
friends? Or you put yourself beyond criticism? Science of harmonious peace, as
any science, cannot be beyond criticism and your letters demonstrate your
criticism of this science as criticism of my position. It's good. But do not
take away this right from others to criticize your position. This is badly.
"Morality has got nothing to do with monetary contribution". - This is your
profound individual delusion. When other people donate one dollar to orphans,
or poor, or spiritual temple and etc. that is a moral support to these people.
You obviously have not had such an experience in your life, therefore you
saying so categorically it as the absolute truth. The humanity experience
refutes it as a lie. When you state as total truth : "Morality has got nothing
to do with monetary contribution", then you create an entire ideology of greed
as a moral justification for militarism, which generously spends on war
trillions of dollars annually. Your ideology will not allow you to recognize
the immoral any military monetary contribution every in the military genocide
of American Indians or Jews by the Nazis and etc.
"I lend my moral support to global peace by consenting to accept individual
articles". This contradicts your first statement. If the science of peace is
defect and its cannot be, then why you write the articles for it? Secondly,
every children already understand the difference between word and deed. Your
article is the support by word, and your one dollar that you cannot donate to
global peace is the support by deed, practice, and the life fact. Why we do not
see your moral support of global peace by deed? Moreover, why do you protest
against this support, creating a whole ideology of greed?
"As a peace loving person, I've given my detailed public response in a very
polite manner my last two emails." If you are really "peace loving person" with
"a very polite manner", then why you in the "very polite manner" neglect over a
year by the GHA question about financing your Institute? If you find financing
for it, please, let us, your brothers in peace and harmony, to joy this good
news. You could also recommend the source of your funding to GHA it can use it
as well. You could also allocate at least a small portion of your money to your
brothers in peace and harmony of the GHA for the GPS project. Why we do not see
this in the "very polite manner"? Why we see instead it the closed, opaque,
non-transparency and undemocratic manner in your "very polite manner"? This is
the essence of your "very polite manner"? You know very well how people name
similar manner. We have been asked you many times about it. Maybe you and this
time will be silent in a "very polite manner"? What lies behind it we already
knew. The same thing that at Glen Martin, Norman Kurland, Robert Crane and
other wealthy Americans who could not find even one dollar to give moral
support to global peace. What is there more to say? I can in this situation
only repeat the old as world truth, briefly expressed Michelangelo: ACTS I
WANT, NOT THE WORDS! Best wishes of peace from to you in your deeds and not
just in the words in "a very polite manner",
Best harmony wishes,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
Global Peace Science from Harmony: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585
and
In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
----- Original Message -----
From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 19 февраля 2014 г., 22:25:32
Subject: +++ your donation
Dear Leo:
Please see my answers in the red.
You are one of the GHA leaders its Vice - President. Now there is a discussion
of a very important project for the GHA and for fate of our book: Global Peace
Science (GPS). In my letters of last year I'd openly explained that peace is
very subjective and making a science of something that is experiential by
nature is flawed. Methods of science only prescribe to making observations (by
senses of perception and not inner feelings), and proving them to be consistent
in certain domains of space and time, and not necessarily reporting personal
experiences of feeling peace). Your example is very important for GHA members.
Why you are silent (I'm not silent. As a peace loving person, I've given my
detailed public response in a very polite manner my last two emails) about this
project and about your donation to GPS? It is a bad (Being peaceful and
harmonious by nature, I'd never use that adjective for a fellow scientist and a
friend.) example. Please give a good example: we all are waiting for your
public response about the project and your donation: what is its sum (it can be
$1000 or $200 or $100 or $10 or $1) and when we can get it? This will be your
great moral (morality has got nothing to do with monetary contribution)
contribution and your moral (moral refers to distinction between right and
wrong in conduct, serving to teach principles of right and wrong, good or right
in conduct or character, also designating support that involves approval
without action) support (I lend my moral support to global peace by consenting
to accept individual articles that provide genuine attempts or offer solutions
to bring peace knowing fully well that peace is subjective and not a science.
“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.” ― Leo
Tolstoy, A Confession) to for Global Peace. Could we receive it from you?
Thank you for your public response (As a peace loving person, I've given my
detailed public response in a very polite manner my last two emails). It is now
the most important thing for the GHA and for you personally as its leader.
With love, best harmony wishes,
Love and regards,
Laj
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Laj,
Thanks for your interesting comments but now is more important question.
You are one of the GHA leaders its Vice - President. Now there is a discussion
of a very important project for the GHA and for fate of our book: Global Peace
Science (GPS). Your example is very important for GHA members.
Why you are silent about this project and about your donation to GPS? It is a
bad example. Please give a good example: we all are waiting for your public
response about the project and your donation: what is its sum (it can be $1000
or $200 or $100 or $10 or $1) and when we can get it? This will be your great
moral contribution and your moral support for Global Peace. Could we receive it
from you?
Thank you for your public response. It is now the most important thing for the
GHA and for you personally as its leader.
With love, best harmony wishes,
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: Laj Utreja, peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 9 февраля 2014 г., 21:04:07
Subject: (peace from harmony) Re: Article +++ Individualism and
communitarianism in harmony
Dear Leo:
I'll send you another article, "The genesis and fall of social orders for
social harmony in Vedic India" soon.
My comments in the last email are consistent with the Vedic Varnashram system
and your system of Tetrasociology
(Both differ to the extent of details of job classifications to suit the
prevailing social conditions).
My views on harmony are not strictly my interpretation of harmony, but yours,
Vedic and universal as well, in which
all classes of people in a society must do work (based on their interest and
skills) and be so recognized and accepted.
And then they stay in harmony, because all the needs of the society and the
people are being fulfilled and all are
appropriately compensated. Moreover, no overly credit is given to one
profession at the cost of rating the other so low as to lose human dignity.
However, individualism based only on self promotion (I'm the most capable),
selfish interest (I'm worth it),
and personal good (I'm better than everyone else, so I deserve it) at the cost
of the society (especially its
vulnerability to pleasure which may disintegrate its traditions, culture, or
what have you) is what the
current political and economic systems are encouraging. This is based on
systematic exploitation of human ego
and human sensuousness by development of systems to take roots and allow
adequate time to become appealing,
until we all fall prey and then they get you.
Above all common sense is more important than any theory, reason or faith. Leo
Tolstoy said the following:
“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.” ― Leo
Tolstoy, A Confession
Love and regards,
Laj
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Laj,
Many thanks for your kind words and poems. We are looking forward to your other
article devoted to the Vedas and peace from harmony.
Your comments express the individualistic interpretation of harmony. But social
harmony is impossible without social (communitarian) side. Individualism and
communitarianism are two inseparable aspects of social harmony. Each,
separately from the other, does not make sense.
Harmfulness of individualism emphasized many philosophers. "Taylor (as well as
Alasdair MacIntyre, Michael Walzer, Michael Sandel, and Gad Barzilai) is
associated with a communitarian critique of liberal theory's understanding of
the "self." Communitarians emphasize the importance of social institutions in
the development of individual meaning and identity"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_ (philosopher).
Charles Taylor (Taylor, C 1991, The Ethics of Authenticity, Harvard University
Press , Cambridge, Massachusetts and London, England) says that Western
Civilization is dying because of individualism. Therefore, individualism,
separated from communitarianism is death and not harmony.
We, the GHA, in our new book Global Peace Science (GPS) say that this science
is not possible without ethics of communitarianism, without ethics of
compassion for humanity, drowning in militarism, hence without ethics of
individual self-sacrifice for the common good of mankind. If we demonstrate
only individualism and not demonstrate this ethic, we neglect by compassion to
humanity and global peace, i.e. we actually find ourselves by silent practical
militarists, though bathed in a peaceful, harmonious and individualistic
rhetoric.
I think we have to worry not only about the individual but also about society
and its common good, which cannot be without sacrifice and donations, though
tiny, at least 200-500 or 1000 dollars. But unfortunately we do not see, with
very rare exceptions, even such compassion and self-sacrifice for the sake of
global peace as the first common good, even among members of the GHA, who
consider themselves as peacemakers. Do you consider this as normal and ethical
norm for our harmony?
As for your idea of foundations and grants, I have already said that we
addressed during the year in more than a hundred institutions, but have not
received any response. You, as you told us, also looking for funding for your
wonderful Institute of Harmony about two years, with the publication of the ABC
of Harmony, which launched it. It's good. But we did not hear from you any
messages that you can find any funding or grant. Or do you keep it a secret? If
you have such a positive experience, please share it with us, please, be
compassionate to your friends and colleagues from the GHA. Thank you.
With love, best harmony wishes,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
Global Peace Science from Harmony: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585
and
In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
----- Original Message -----
From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 7 февраля 2014 г., 20:01:45
Subject: [gha] Re: (peace from harmony) Re: Article
Dear Leo:
I hope and pray you are in good health and cheers.
I submit to you the attached two poems and definitions of acceptance and
tolerance for consideration.
I submit the following response to your comments:
Comment One
1. Global harmony results from recognition and acceptance of the uniqueness of
each element and
being that forms and inhabits the globe.
2. Together, in the GHA, we seek to create harmony of all elements and beings
to achieve peace.
3. Each one of us is limited, and therefore is unique in style and substance to
contribute to the society at large.
4. Rather than inhibiting individual style and substance by merging into one,
which loses the uniqueness of that individual,
let each style and substance bloom in its own shape and fragrance and we
all enjoy that in harmony.
5. The world will not stand by and not accept the suitable one, but each one
has a place for harmony, and each one will become suitable in its own
time and place.
Comment Two
1. There are many of us, who can and yet abstain from contributing. For the
sake of harmony, we must respect that view.
2. There are many of us, who can't and under pressure may do so compromising
their life-style. For the sake of harmony, we must not stress that
individual circumstance.
3. If this is an academic study, we need to find a a suitable agency, which
may accept to fund this under a grant and then carry out research in a
university set-up.
4. For the pursuit of exploration of the idea, we need to approach a suitable
foundation, which may accept to explore the idea further for its
application.
With love and regards,
Laj
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Laj,
Excuse my delay, please.
Thank you very much for your interesting article with bibliography for GPS:
"Creating Harmonious Civilization – A New Paradigm in Education"
Please, let me a little correction for the title as: Creating Harmonious
Civilization through Global Peace – A New Paradigm in Education. - Do you agree
with it?
Another question: What do you think about donation as a way to finance our GPS
book and about your personal donation? Could you suggest other way to finance
our GPS?
Thank you.
With love, best harmony wishes,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA) since 2005;
Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
Global Peace Science from Harmony: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=585
and
In Russian: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=606;
World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony for World Peace:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
GHA Peace Video: http://youtu.be/hbxY5lREOeA;
My Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn
----- Original Message -----
From: Laj Utreja, lutreja7@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 3 февраля 2014 г., 20:59:39
Subject: Article
Dear Leo:
Attached is one of my articles for our book.
I'd send you the second in a week.
Regards,
Laj
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
--
Dr. Laj Utreja
Director, Institute of Global Harmony
Gandhi Vidya Mandir, Sardarshahr, Rajasthan, India
Tel: 08003044016
http://instituteofglobalharmony.org/aboutigh.php
http://igh-gvm.blogspot.in/
http://existentialharmony.org/page.php?p=216
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