[gha] I think the most striking is the problem of the media that overwhelmingly condemned Israel and Hamas say anything
- From: "Julia Budnikova" <budnikova@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:44:10 +0400
Dear Maria, as amazes me when the president of Ukraine gives the order to bomb
the Ukrainian cities with civilians in the southeast of the country, and the
western mass media go on all the time same: " Russia is guilty in everything
". Nobody wants to tell directly: in Ukraine there is a civil war, Ukrainians
destroy the Russian population. And America not only encourages them, but also
helps with the weapon, experts and forces Europe to pay to Ukraine the credits
"for democracy development". Around continuous hypocrisy.
With big respect
Julia Budnikova
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Subject: [gha] Re: [gha] TR: 1° DJIHAD ISLAMISME !
I think the most striking is the problem of the media that overwhelmingly
condemned Israel and Hamas say anything.
For example, today the local TV says "Israel announces that the war is just
beginning" in major newspapers and there are pictures of dead Palestinian
children and adolescents rn a ratio of 10 to one with pictures of Israelis
killed or wounded.
Respect to a single medium that I could hear on the radio, where the speaker
was Jewish, he said Israel moves to the end because Hamas wants all of Israel
died so that, according to this radio program, should continue to the end or
until it drops the Palestinian government.
This management information will increase undoubtedly anti-Semitic hatred, at
least in Argentina, giving ground through years of work by IFLAC awareness and
all of us for the common people to understand what happens in Israel.La truth
is that is not easy to explain to people when they see pictures of mangled by
Israeli bombing ... not easy to explain what I explained Ernesto and Ada
bodies. I mean the problem of antisemitism of Hamas and its refusal to
negotiate and change its decision to exterminate Israel. I understand but
people do not understand, it is a fact and sometimes even I hesitated when I
see the bloody bodies and figures that speak a thousand Palestinians killed
(civilians, not Hamas) against tens of Israeli soldiers.
What to do?? What to say?
I do not support Israel or Palestine but to democracy, freedom, peace and
justice and above all, life. And absolutely do not believe that THE END JUSTIFY
THE MEANS and why I disagree with the bombing of one side or the other. I think
Israel should negotiate while rockets fall and continue to negotiate or seek
international help and not attack because in this way the problem and the
children of the Palestinians killed manufactured more and more rockets and
tunnels is fed.
I think the defense is unconscionable attack Israel and that if you intend to
destroy Hamas, will not succeed in this way only will encourage even more. I
fear for the future.
On the other hand it is known that Hamas is getting weapons from Syria and Iran
and so soon we will see a disaster of staggering magnitude if we do not stop
this now
María Cristina Azcona
@macazcona
María Cristina Azcona
2014-07-30 7:15 GMT-03:00 Guy Crequie <guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx>:
De : Guy Crequie [mailto:guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx]
Envoyé : mercredi 30 juillet 2014 11:23
Objet : 1° DJIHAD ISLAMISME
1° DJIHAD ISLAMISME
Mention de Guy CREQUIE : L’Islamisme radical politique est l’un des plus grands
danger et poison de notre temps, ceci de par l’obscurantisme qu’il développe :
refus de l’instruction des enfants principalement de sexe féminin, avilissement
des femmes, non -respect de la dignité de toute vie = la mort de l’autre :
différent, est sa réponse y compris souvent par les moyens les plus barbares.
Même si je n’approuve pas bien des aspects de la politique suivie par le
gouvernement israélien de Benjamin NETANYAHOU, je ne fais pas la confusion
entre un peuple et ses dirigeants, surtout, il y a un vrai danger soulevé par
Ernesto KAHAN récipiendaire du prix Nobel en 1985 et auquel précédemment
j’avais fait allusion.
Du temps de Saddam HUSSEIN en Irak, celui-ci avait envoyé des Scuds sur Israël,
mais le plus souvent de portée insuffisante et détruits par l’armée
israélienne. Présentement, même si le bouclier antimissile israélien se révèle
performant et en détruisent 99%, les missiles du Hamas arrivent à destination
de Jérusalem, Tel Aviv et même Haïfa.
Or, si un jour, les djihadistes et mouvances islamistes arrivent à produire, où
surtout à se faire livrer des missiles plus performants, compte tenu du
territoire géographique d’Israël et de sa population (environ 8 millions
d’habitants), le risque de la destruction d’Israël est potentiellement réel !
Les grands médias et présentés experts ne parlent pas hélas de cela.
Je ne soutiens pas le Hamas, lequel, comme d'autres mouvances islamistes ,
comme l'Ancien Président iranien, etc. Qui ne veulent pas reconnaître la
réalité d'Israël, et même = veulent détruire cet Etat. Certes, tout ceci pèse
sur la sécurité d’Israël et ses réactions de survie !
Mais, il faudrait des dirigeants israéliens irréprochables = véritablement
enclins à la réalité de 2 Etats, et qui parfois par des ripostes
disproportionnées tuant des femmes et des enfants civils par l'émotion soulevée
=obscurcissent la compréhension du drame et empêchent les opinions publiques
mondiale de se mobiliser clairement et massivement pour la solution juste .
Je vous renvoie par exemple à l'éditorial de Jean DANIEL se référant à Albert
CAMUS, dans le récent Nouvel Observateur : "Si le droit de riposte se révèle
trop supérieur aux provocations de l'agresseur, alors, celui qui l'exerce et
celui qui le subit ne valent pas mieux l'un que l'autre....".
C’est ce que pensent bien des européens qui font l’amalgame et renvoient
l’horreur dos à dos !
Ce que dit Jean DANIEL, correspond ce que pensent de nombreux européens sur les
réseaux sociaux et dans les discussions de rue !
Sur une base affective, lorsque des français lisent, et voient à la télévision
qu’il y a 50 israéliens de tués (surtout des militaires ), et plus de 1000
palestiniens (surtout des civils dont des femmes et des enfants) ,
spontanément, leur sensibilité va vers les palestiniens, et altère une juste
perception du conflit, de ses causes et enjeux.
C’est pourquoi, les morts ajoutant aux morts et aux rancœurs et haines, il
serait urgent que le cesser le feu survienne et soit suivi d’une période de
coexistence pacifique éprouvée avec l’existence de 2 Etats reconnus et
sécurisés et qu’enfin sérieusement les Institutions internationales avec
l’exigence des opinions publiques mondiales se mobilisent pour exiger la
direction, le sens de l’humanité.
Cordialement.
Guy CREQUIE
1° DJIHAD ISLAMISM :
Mention of Guy CREQUIE: The political Radical Islam is one of largest the
danger and poison of our time, this from the obscurantism which it develops:
refusal of the instruction of the children mainly of female sex, depreciation
of the women, non-observance of the dignity of any life = the death of the
other: different, is its response including often by the cruelest means.
Even if I do not approve many aspects of the policy pursued by the Israeli
government of Benjamin NETANYAHOU, I do not make confusion between people and
his leaders, especially, there is a true danger raised by Ernesto KAHAN member
elect of the Nobel Prize in 1985 and to which previously I had alluded.
Time of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, this one had sent of Scuds on Israel, but
generally of insufficient range and destroyed by the Israeli army. At Present,
even if the Israeli anti-missile shield appears powerful and destroy 99% of
them, the missiles of Hamas arrive bound for Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and even Haïfa.
However, if one day, the islamist djihadists and mobilities manage to produce,
especially where to be made deliver more powerful missiles, taking into account
the geographical territory of Israel and its population (approximately 8
million inhabitants), the risk of the destruction of Israel is potentially real!
The great media and presented expert do not speak alas about that.
I do not support the Hamas, which, like other islamist mobilities, the Former
Iranian President, etc Which do not want to recognize the reality of Israel,
and even = wants to destroy this State. Admittedly, all this weighs on the
safety of Israel and its reactions of survival!
But, one would need irreproachable Israeli leaders = truly inclined for the
reality of 2 States, and which sometimes by disproportionate responses killing
out of the women and the civil children by the raised emotion =obscurcissent
the comprehension of the drama and prevent the public opinions world from being
mobilized clearly and massively for the solution right.
I return you for example to the leading article of Jean DANIEL referring to
CAMUS Albert, in recent Nouvel Observateur: “If the right of response appears
too higher than the provocations of the attacker, then, that which exert it and
that which undergoes it are not better one than the other….”.
It is what think many Europeans who make the amalgam and return the horror back
to back!
How known as Jean DANIEL, corresponds what think of many Europeans on the
social networks and in the discussions of street!
On an emotional basis, when French read, and see on television that there are
50 Israelis of killed (especially of the soldiers), and more than 1000
Palestinian (especially of the civilians of which women and children),
spontaneously, their sensitivity goes into Palestinian, and deteriorates a
right perception of the conflict, its causes and challenges.
This is why, deaths adding to deaths and rancours and hatreds, it would be
urgent that to cease it fire occurs and is followed from one period of peaceful
coexistence tested with the existence of 2 recognized and made safe States and
that finally seriously the International institutions with the requirement of
the world public opinions mobilize themselves to require the direction, the
direction of humanity.
Cordially.
Guy CREQUIE
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