[gha] Re: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article aboit Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations

  • From: "Prof. Ernesto Kahan" <ekahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:29:41 +0200

Re: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article aboit 
Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nationsDear Hedva
I think I did not received more material that the one is in this message
However, I believe that you too also think that we alone with the Palestinians 
alone are in a end drive

From: Hedva Bachrach 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:59 PM
To: gha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [gha] Re: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article 
aboit Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations

On 23/02/2013 19:40, Prof. Ernesto Kahan wrote:

  Dear friends,ארנסטו, האם אתה שלחת לי את המכתב הזה. אם זאת תשובתו של ליאו הרי 
זה מזעזע. הוא נתון בבועת הרעיון שלו ובכלל לא מסתכל אל מציאות.   האם קבלתם את 15 
הדפים שכתבתי, בהם התייחסתי גם לצד הפלסטיני וסבלו - בכל מני נושאים . האם זה הופץ 
? או מנעו הפצה.  לצערי היהוו שלי לא עובד.  חדווה

  This dialogue between Hedva y Mazin (see below) confirms what I am sustaining 
since about 2, 3 years ago. That it will be almost impossible to achieve a 
peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians without a strong intervention 
from outside. The reason is simple: The maximum that Israel can give is less 
the the minimum that the Palestinians are ready to accept. 

  In our forum people who are discussing are the so called moderate. Imagine 
what could be the attitude of the extremist. 

  In the year 2010 I wrote: The refusal of stigmas is the first step to achieve 
real peace agreements, the second occurs when sincerely one side understand the 
needs of the considered enemy and the third, is generated when these feelings 
are transmitted to him. All the rest it comes naturally or with aid from 
facilitators.  Thus, it is clear that the process begins in our self. 

  OK, we understand the arguments of one side against the other. But, where are 
the intents of each side to try to understand the other? We are talking about 
harmony, are those empty words.

  Please do not tell me what are your demands, tell me what can you do to help 
the so called "your enemy"

  Time is not good to nobody because we need to prevent suffering.

  I am afraid the this conflict is becoming more an more religious. I have no 
doubt that if all the Jews of Tel Aviv were Muslims there will be no conflict, 
and if the Muslims of Gaza were Jews there will be no conflict either. 

  I hope some time a peace agreement will be imposed for the big powers. in the 
meantime we should act for education for peace and harmony. The new "religion" 
in order to save humankind. Maybe for me is simply to think like that because I 
am a scientist.

  From: Leo Semashko 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:24 PM
  To: Hedva Bachrach 
  Cc: Mazin Qumsiyeh ; moriikae ; gha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; 
  Subject: [gha] Re: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint 
Article aboit Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations

  Dear Hedva and Mazin, 

  You write that you nations had 8 wars during 64 years. It's very sad. But why 
is this happening? 

  I think the reason is that you only think about the war. We did not read any 
more of your page dedicated to 100% peace between your peoples. In this state 
of your minds you will have 80 more wars during 640 years. And so on to 

  WHO established peace between you and your nations, if you think and write 
only about the war? WHO? Jean of Rwanda? Leo from Russia? Kae from Japan? - No 
one but you. This requires that you start to think and write about peace. 

  I invited you twice and now I ask for the third and last time to write: 1. 
Short, up to 1 page review on the ABC of Harmony, which is designed for world 
peace (www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478), and 2. the 2-3 pages of 
your ideas about peace, about how maybe peace among of your peoples. I and GHA 
will only discuss like your writings and no other. 

  Both of you accuse me in disrespect. However, your persistent ignore all my 
letters with my invitations that is disrespectful to me and the GHA. You write 
me “long letters that did not address the peaceful substance of my letters”. I 
will not respond to such emails. Yes, GHA can not respect your militarist 
writings. We can only respect your peacemaking writings. But we do not see 
them. Please, show them to us. 

  Best harmony wishes,


  Dr Leo Semashko:
  State  Councillor  of  St.  Petersburg,
  Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
  Director:  Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
  Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA);
  Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
  World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
  GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony:
  P/Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
  Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
  Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
  Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/leo.semashko?ref=tn_tnmn

  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Hedva Bachrach, hedgad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
    Sent: 20 февраля 2013 г., 12:53:59
    Subject: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article aboit 
Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations

  On 20/02/2013 10:50, Hedva Bachrach wrote:
  On 20/02/2013 10:32, Hedva Bachrach wrote:
  On 19/02/2013 19:12, Mazin Qumsiyeh wrote:
  Dear all  , an answer to Mr. Qumsiyeh, and everybody..

  In Israel we are 7-8 million people. about 6 million Jewish people. Half of 
our number 47% are originally refugees from Arab and Magreb Moslem countries 
who fled to Israel after the 1948 war, as they were threatened by angry mobs 
for their lives. 

  I do not understand how Mr. Mazin who claims he is for the peace between 
Israelis and Palestinians wants to bring 7 million refugees to our country.. It 
is funny that every year this number of refugees grows.. as grows the number of 
villages to the incredible number of 530 villages. Even with the Jewish 
townships and villages there were not so many in 1948. When Barak offered 
Arafaat to return even half Jerusalem and palestinian territories, Arafaat did 
not agree unless 4-5 millions refugees  return, which we can not accept to 
undermine our demographic structure. And more so - as so many Jews, even more 
than the Palestinian 1 million people who fled away in war time, and afterwards 
many more Jews from Arab and Moslem countries around fled to Israel. Israel is 
not responsible for the behavior of their own brothers, in Arab countries, 
towards refugees. So many Arab countries could easily give citizen's rights to 
Palestinians dispersed among them for 64 years. Most of States give citizenship 
after 5 or 10 years. How is it that Arafaats 4 -5 millions suddenly turned out 
in 10 years to be 7 millions????? Israel wanted to receive some and to give 
monetary recompense  to the others, But no.... 

  I'm tired of exchanging "endearing words" with Mr Qumsiyeh, who mainly deals 
with propaganda.. I enclose here for everybody to read what I've written in my 
15 pages that Mr. Qumsiyeh was so offended by it. I wish him a very good life, 
but not on our account. Israel is our only home in the world. No one can take 
it from us. I am against the settlement policy, I've written about the 
problematic aspects of this situation in my attached letter. Unlike Mr. 
Qumsiyeh I was thinking in my letter about the Palestinians too.. 

  To all of you, a good year and a good life..


  I wrote the email below to explain why I am not entering into a "discussion". 
 I realized there is a forum called "Peace from Harmony" and Leo now added me 
to this forum.  I now share this letter to the forum.  Please note I am 
chairman of the Palestinian Center for Rapprochement Between People; the first 
center to bring Israelis and Palestinians together to work for peace (not for 
normalizing colonization or occupation).  We are 12 million Palestinians, 7 
million of us are refugees or displaced people. 530 villages and towns were 
ethnically cleansed between 1948-1950.  The first step to peace is to join the 
hundreds of thousands of us (Israelis and Palestinians) to insist on 
implementing the internationally recognized rights of all Palestinian refugees 
to return to their homes and lands from which they were ethnically cleansed.  I 
am sure Leo would have reacted the same way as I did if he had been around in 
1940 and someone approached him to reconcile based on harmony (with no justice) 
with Nazis who were killing so many people.  Peace/harmony without reality or 
justice is meaningless or is an illusion.

  Hedva chose to respond by a long letter that did not address the substance of 
my letter but merely attack me personally (as hateful etc).  I find this only a 
validation of the facts stated in my message.  As I and fellow Israeli peace 
activists get arrested regularly by the apartheid regime, it is sad that Leo 
and Hedva chose to line up behind tribal notions and project their emotions on 
others instead of dealing honestly with the substance of reality,

  I hope you will allow my message through to the list if you are really 
interested in truth and harmony and that you all will read the links provided 
below and respond rationally and without tribalistic emotions.

  Dear Leo 

  The article you shared is simply a regurgitation of mythologies that even 
intelligent Zionists have long abandoned.  Even a Zionist historian like Benny 
Morris documented the processes of history that surrounded the creation of 
Israel etc.  But even the regurgitation was done rather crudely and without 
much thought or even proper language.  It is actually rather childish rants 
similar to those that the extremist settlers in Hebron say as they attack 
native Palestinians, foreign visitors, diplomats, and media. Mr Hedva would do 
well to read a bit of history so that his propaganda efforts would be a little 
more credible and perhaps worthy of an individualized response.  For answers to 
his myths and many more similar myths, may I suggest he look at this 

  Now for the issue of harmony between religions and nations etc.  That is a 
more worthy issue.  But there are many books and voluminous articles written on 
the subject.  I myself wrote two books and over 100 articles that deal with the 
subject and published in many widely read journals etc. I also read many other 
books and can recommend a few including by Jewish intellectuals (e.g. Marc 
Ellis, Out of the Ashes; Mark Braverman, Judas Magnes, etc). See also 

  I do not believe in reinventing the wheel. Perhaps publishing some of the 
existing articles or selections from the existing books on your website maybe 
helpful to your readers.

  Finally, I caution people from equating oppressed with oppressor, colonized 
with colonizers.  This is a common error and a tool of the oppressor.  In South 
Africa under apartheid, the struggle was not between black and white people but 
between those who supported apartheid (black and white) and those who opposed 
it (black and white).  In the struggles in Europe between 1932-1945 it was not 
between a "German Nation" and a "Jewish nation" but between humans who opposed 
racism and those who supported it (including leading Zionists who collaborated 
with Nazi Germany*).

  * See Jewish authors Lenni Brenner, 51 Documents: History of Nazi Zionist 
Collaboration; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement; Norman Finkelstein, The 
Holocaust Industry; Naeim Giladi, Ben Gurion's scandals)


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