[gha] Re: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article aboit Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations
- From: Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Hedva Bachrach <hedgad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:24:59 +0400
Dear Hedva and Mazin,
You write that you nations had 8 wars during 64 years. It's very sad. But why
is this happening?
I think the reason is that you only think about the war. We did not read any
more of your page dedicated to 100% peace between your peoples. In this state
of your minds you will have 80 more wars during 640 years. And so on to
infinity.
WHO established peace between you and your nations, if you think and write only
about the war? WHO? Jean of Rwanda? Leo from Russia? Kae from Japan? - No one
but you. This requires that you start to think and write about peace.
I invited you twice and now I ask for the third and last time to write: 1.
Short, up to 1 page review on the ABC of Harmony, which is designed for world
peace (www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478), and 2. the 2-3 pages of
your ideas about peace, about how maybe peace among of your peoples. I and GHA
will only discuss like your writings and no other.
Both of you accuse me in disrespect. However, your persistent ignore all my
letters with my invitations that is disrespectful to me and the GHA. You write
me “long letters that did not address the peaceful substance of my letters”. I
will not respond to such emails. Yes, GHA can not respect your militarist
writings. We can only respect your peacemaking writings. But we do not see
them. Please, show them to us.
Best harmony wishes,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
State Councillor of St. Petersburg,
Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
Director: Tetrasociology Public Institute, Russia;
Founding President, Global Harmony Association (GHA);
Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org
World Interfaith Harmony Project on the ABC of Harmony Base:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=541;
GHA Program Book, The ABC of Harmony:
www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=478;
P/Web page: www.peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
Address: 7/4-42 Ho-Shi-Min Street, St. Petersburg 194356, Russia
Phone: 7 (812) 597-65-71; Skype: leo.semahko
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hedva Bachrach, hedgad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 20 февраля 2013 г., 12:53:59
Subject: [HumanRights] Samer near death and more + Your Joint Article aboit
Intefaith Harmony of Palestinian and Jewish nations
On 20/02/2013 10:50, Hedva Bachrach wrote:
On 20/02/2013 10:32, Hedva Bachrach wrote:
On 19/02/2013 19:12, Mazin Qumsiyeh wrote:
Dear all , an answer to Mr. Qumsiyeh, and everybody..
In Israel we are 7-8 million people. about 6 million Jewish people. Half of our
number 47% are originally refugees from Arab and Magreb Moslem countries who
fled to Israel after the 1948 war, as they were threatened by angry mobs for
their lives.
I do not understand how Mr. Mazin who claims he is for the peace between
Israelis and Palestinians wants to bring 7 million refugees to our country.. It
is funny that every year this number of refugees grows.. as grows the number of
villages to the incredible number of 530 villages. Even with the Jewish
townships and villages there were not so many in 1948. When Barak offered
Arafaat to return even half Jerusalem and palestinian territories, Arafaat did
not agree unless 4-5 millions refugees return, which we can not accept to
undermine our demographic structure. And more so - as so many Jews, even more
than the Palestinian 1 million people who fled away in war time, and afterwards
many more Jews from Arab and Moslem countries around fled to Israel. Israel is
not responsible for the behavior of their own brothers, in Arab countries,
towards refugees. So many Arab countries could easily give citizen's rights to
Palestinians dispersed among them for 64 years. Most of States give citizenship
after 5 or 10 years. How is it that Arafaats 4 -5 millions suddenly turned out
in 10 years to be 7 millions????? Israel wanted to receive some and to give
monetary recompense to the others, But no....
I'm tired of exchanging "endearing words" with Mr Qumsiyeh, who mainly deals
with propaganda.. I enclose here for everybody to read what I've written in my
15 pages that Mr. Qumsiyeh was so offended by it. I wish him a very good life,
but not on our account. Israel is our only home in the world. No one can take
it from us. I am against the settlement policy, I've written about the
problematic aspects of this situation in my attached letter. Unlike Mr.
Qumsiyeh I was thinking in my letter about the Palestinians too..
To all of you, a good year and a good life..
Hedva
I wrote the email below to explain why I am not entering into a "discussion".
I realized there is a forum called "Peace from Harmony" and Leo now added me to
this forum. I now share this letter to the forum. Please note I am chairman
of the Palestinian Center for Rapprochement Between People; the first center to
bring Israelis and Palestinians together to work for peace (not for normalizing
colonization or occupation). We are 12 million Palestinians, 7 million of us
are refugees or displaced people. 530 villages and towns were ethnically
cleansed between 1948-1950. The first step to peace is to join the hundreds of
thousands of us (Israelis and Palestinians) to insist on implementing the
internationally recognized rights of all Palestinian refugees to return to
their homes and lands from which they were ethnically cleansed. I am sure Leo
would have reacted the same way as I did if he had been around in 1940 and
someone approached him to reconcile based on harmony (with no justice) with
Nazis who were killing so many people. Peace/harmony without reality or
justice is meaningless or is an illusion.
Hedva chose to respond by a long letter that did not address the substance of
my letter but merely attack me personally (as hateful etc). I find this only a
validation of the facts stated in my message. As I and fellow Israeli peace
activists get arrested regularly by the apartheid regime, it is sad that Leo
and Hedva chose to line up behind tribal notions and project their emotions on
others instead of dealing honestly with the substance of reality,
I hope you will allow my message through to the list if you are really
interested in truth and harmony and that you all will read the links provided
below and respond rationally and without tribalistic emotions.
Dear Leo
The article you shared is simply a regurgitation of mythologies that even
intelligent Zionists have long abandoned. Even a Zionist historian like Benny
Morris documented the processes of history that surrounded the creation of
Israel etc. But even the regurgitation was done rather crudely and without
much thought or even proper language. It is actually rather childish rants
similar to those that the extremist settlers in Hebron say as they attack
native Palestinians, foreign visitors, diplomats, and media. Mr Hedva would do
well to read a bit of history so that his propaganda efforts would be a little
more credible and perhaps worthy of an individualized response. For answers to
his myths and many more similar myths, may I suggest he look at this
http://qumsiyeh.org/liesandtruths/
Now for the issue of harmony between religions and nations etc. That is a more
worthy issue. But there are many books and voluminous articles written on the
subject. I myself wrote two books and over 100 articles that deal with the
subject and published in many widely read journals etc. I also read many other
books and can recommend a few including by Jewish intellectuals (e.g. Marc
Ellis, Out of the Ashes; Mark Braverman, Judas Magnes, etc). See also
http://qumsiyeh.org/openletterbygeorgesalzman/
http://qumsiyeh.org/answertorosenfeld/
http://qumsiyeh.org/einsteinetalonbegin/
I do not believe in reinventing the wheel. Perhaps publishing some of the
existing articles or selections from the existing books on your website maybe
helpful to your readers.
Finally, I caution people from equating oppressed with oppressor, colonized
with colonizers. This is a common error and a tool of the oppressor. In South
Africa under apartheid, the struggle was not between black and white people but
between those who supported apartheid (black and white) and those who opposed
it (black and white). In the struggles in Europe between 1932-1945 it was not
between a "German Nation" and a "Jewish nation" but between humans who opposed
racism and those who supported it (including leading Zionists who collaborated
with Nazi Germany*).
* See Jewish authors Lenni Brenner, 51 Documents: History of Nazi Zionist
Collaboration; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement; Norman Finkelstein, The
Holocaust Industry; Naeim Giladi, Ben Gurion's scandals)
Best
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