Tell me what you think. Paul D We must clear and distinguish the difference between species and kind.. Mules and donkeys and horses are of common species, but of different kinds. Varieties of kinds may occur in nature by crossing, yet species in nature cannot cross. An impossibility. There will be no mammal-bird, fish-mammal fossils found ever. Even though Genetic modification may interfere with species, and insert fish genes in a tomato, this is NOT POSSIBLE in nature.. These tomatoes will not reproduce themselves.. That is the plan after all.. Of course in as much that the knowledge and technology back in the 50's was far less than today, at least the human educational standards and application, morally, ethically, and technically was far superior. . but as most of the good stuff from the pre modern period has been burned, libraries modernised, I cannot find confirmation, of what I am about to say entirely from memory and you will need to forgive some failure with terminology. But you will need an old book , as I could find nothing anywhere on the web. But as regards kinds in genetics, at that time it was proposed that each species had different fixed numbers of chromosomes? Guessing like human 16, canines 12 etc. In propogation of a species 8 full of genetic information from momma combined with 8 from poppa. or 6 with 6 and so forth. The male determining the sex factor . At that time it was stated emphatically that a species with 16 chromosomes could not breed with a species of 12. and so forth. Now I can easily understand why books that advocate this are burned because of obsoletism by evolutionists. Likewise books that showed internal combustion engines breaking the thermodynamic 50% heat engine barrier, returning up to 80% of the heat energy as mechanical power in British naval twin screw ship. Yes I rescued that book and have all the data. No conspiracies at all Paul.. Like GMH (not only GMH) calling back and shredding brand new electric cars, brand new, by the thousand ... did the oil industry shareholders influence that.. naa no conspiracies Paul . Even my Toyota Prius has special programming restricting the EV use that I can operate. It takes an independent privat nonprofit group like Calcars to hack these computers and convert the car with some extra batteries to allow the local commuter like myself to go 30-40 miles a day, never buying petrol except for a highway long trip. ??? The oil companies are helping now arnt they .. Yet this pressure has grown so great that Toyota has been forced to do it themselves for 2008.. What the betting we will have a repeat of GMH calling....... Had my whinge for the day.. Philip.