Dear Regner, whilst your project developes, we must continue to argue, oops! debate amongst ourselves the evidence for or against.. If there had ever been any convincing final and undeniable evidence, in support of geocentrism, our discussion would have ceased.. There are three different types of groups in this discussion, such that consensus might never be reached in scientific terms. 1. "the supernatural alone with relatively no science, believers" 2. "the Supernatural with qualified science believers" 3. "the "purely scientific no supernatural allowed, believers" Such a format of course must surely fail to reach any sensible consensus, whilst, (a) those with a belief in the supernatural refuse to accept any of the basic tenets of observational science, (b) those with purely scientific beliefs refuse to allow any theoretical considerations that lend support to the supernatural and or, (c) those with scientific beliefs refuse to accept or allow any other theoretical considerations to explain phenomena, that is not supported by the majority of mainstream science. This failure by the way is not confined to our little group. Within the mainstream of science itself, sub groups exist which do not concur with the determinations of politics and economics, over science. Notable example being those who follow blindly the principles of global warming as laid down by Al Gore, in his Inconvenient Truth, and those who do not and who agree with the recent decision of the UK supreme court which has banned this work from being compulsory in UK schools because of its most notable errors, misconceptions, and propaganda status. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Regner Trampedach To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Challenge to Regner Robert Sungenis, I did recieve your E-mail, and I'm sorry I haven't replied before. I would much appreciate if we could just follow my original plan, and not have all these side discussions - I believe that would make it much easier for all parties concerned. Because of all these side discussions, I now have more than 200 mails in my geocentric folder, but only 9(!) entries for my challenge to this forum. I believe that I have already proven that I have taken up the challenge to show some fallacies of your geocentric belief, by answering all these posts. I have yet to get to the stage of showing these fallacies, but it is (some of) you guys, that are slowing down the process. If you mean to challenge my credentials as a scientist, then I believe the University of Aarhus, Denmark, Michigan State University, USA, and the Australian National University have all done a more thorough job than you'll be able to do. Could you please just distill the 5 points from those books, that in the strongest and most fundamental way supports a geo-centric Solar system. Regards, Regner Trampedach - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quoting sungenis@xxxxxxx: > Regner, > > A few days ago I sent you the first of five challenges that you requested in > lieu of receiving our book, Galileo Was Wrong.?I hope you received it. If > not, please let me know and I will send it again. It concerned the > Michelson-Morely, Sagnac and other such experiments. > > In the last few days I've seen you communicate with other people on the > forum, which thus caused me to wonder if you received my first challenge. > > Please let me know at your earliest convenience. > > Robert Sungenis > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1093 - Release Date: 25/10/2007 5:38 PM