[geocentrism] miracles
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:03:45 +1000
Jack I'm not denying it as how you feel or your right to feel it.. I am just
commenting on how I take it, under my definition of miracle as regards myself.,
such as a supernatural event.. You have always called THESE events as of the
devil. You never consider or allow the possibility that those changes of the
mind, which have nothing supernatural in them, are not of God and of the
Devil.
He choses us YES, but so does the devil. The devil works in our head and
"heart".
Jesus clearly expounds the importance of real supernatural events when accused
of the devil, by saying, "if you cannot accept me (being God) then accept the
works that I do."
if the Devil could work anything more than an illusion or trick, why would
Jesus lead us astray in this here? The devil works by deceit lies and trickery.
You know the Scripture of it.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Dear Philip,
I know what 'me' was like so I know what I'm saying. Remember the Bible says
that we don't choose God he chooses us.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Personally I consider that changing me from an evolution believing atheist
into a God fearing creationist is one heck of a miracle!
Jack
I don't. Well not any more than that everything down to an ant is a
miracle. It is easy to say "I believe". The early martyrs witnessed many real
miracles to help, or should I say frighten them into denying the pagan gods of
Caesar. Hell had the greater threat.
There was a Saint of long ago who recommended among his prayers.
"Oh my God I believe in thee... help me in my unbelief.."
The totally committed believer would never sin. Yet Jesus Himself proved
that there was no man without sin. Excepting Himself of course. But He had the
power man!
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:17 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Dear Paul,
In the absence of knowing what put your faith at risk, consider the
Christian who is being tortured because of his faith and cries out to God to
stop his pain, and yet will not renounce his faith. Why is his faith so strong
and yours so weak? What is the difference between you? Also consider this;
perhaps God is using this forum to show you that He exists and the evidence is
all around you. Believing in God is all about FAITH and not signs and wonders.
Personally I consider that changing me from an evolution believing atheist into
a God fearing creationist is one heck of a miracle!
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Jack L
When I was 53, I had been a believing christian for about 47 years. The
prayer I recall most often making -- with ever increasing urgency -- was "God
-- make my faith strong." Clearly for all those years it was not strong and God
seemed disinclined to help me remedy that failing. Finally, an event occurred
which served to separate me from the practice of my religion and faith ebbed
rapidly when I was removed from constant reinforcement. With time I saw the
reality -- "Faith is what allows us to believe what we know is not possible".
Paul D
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