The Creationists aren't doing anything wrong in looking to prove from nature that God's word is true. They're not doing anything differently than we are -- looking to nature to prove God's word. There's nothing wrong with science. It's science so-called that's bad -- pseudoscience, like the medical industry and pharmacy industry practices all the time. I put Carl Sagon into the pseudoscientists, also Darwin. The "authorities" in the CDC (that's the national Center for Disease Control in the US) are pseudoscientists -- tailoring their "science" to fit the politically correct views of certain groups. I don't think the Creationists are fudging anything that has to do with life on earth, the creation of earth and all that's in the earth. I do think they are backing away from the geocentrists and giving aid and comfort to the helios, to cosmologists like Sagon and the panspermia people. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: irrelevancy of creation science. > Aussie, yes, and I should have been mpre specific of the aims of different creation scientists.. I have met some wo believe in biblical evolution... of creation > Re the others proving a young earth, they look to unexplained missing geology, like sand in the gulf of Mexico for the grand Canyon, and I do not deny God might have left some signs for stumbling block of science... But I don't thinkso as this would be a form of deceit. .. and take away the need for faith in his word, not science. > > I'm sure, just as the trees in the garden had age rings, so would the entire earth.. The sand will be somewhere, and the pebbles.. > > Interesting science though is the argument against traditional aging of the fossils. and the flood... and geological layers... > > Yet once again, given the rings in the trees, why not a million year old fossil or two. > > Philip. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cheryl B. > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:34 AM > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: irrelevancy of creation science. > > > Philip -- I admire your steadfast faith in Scripture. I don't think the > Creation Scientists like ICR, AiG, Kent Hovind and the rest of them believe > in any evolution whatever. In fact I know they don't. They believe in a > young earth, say 6,000 years old, and that every living creature was created > in an instant, fully grown and complete. They are trying to debunk the > evolutionists the way we are trying to debunk the helios. > > The only problem with the Creationists is that they treat the geocentrists > as orphan outcasts, kind of like the way Right to Life treats the prolife > street activists like Missionaries to the Preborn and other more activist > prolifers. > > Bible says love of money is the root of all evil, and after awhile > ministries and "movements" take on a life of their own, become money-making > ventures that must be preserved for that purpose, making money -- and the > original mission gets forgotten or even opposed lest it result in the > business not being "needed" anymore. > > BTW -- Are you an Australian? > > Respectfully, > > Cheryl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:26 PM > Subject: [geocentrism] irrelevancy of creation science. > > > > The creationists believe that if 'C' decayed then so > > did radioactive decay also decay and this would make rocks younger. > > Jack > > a copy to creation, because this is their cup of tea. > > > > This question is irrelevant. Creation science is a contradiction in terms. > I repeat what I have said everywhere so often. > > > > When Adam was created, he was a young man, what , say 18 years old, and > we know that creation scientists examining him would certify that he was > 18.years old. > > > > We know that when Adam walked upon the earth in the garden, and waded in > the river, creation scientists examining this river would declare it > geologically as being millions of years old, yet we know that it is no more > than a few weeks old... > > > > Likewise the tall cedars... in the forest.. Real annular rings showing the > seasons......according to as God willed they would have had. > > > > Creation science is a contradiction in terms... God Created a geologically > old world, instantly, perhaps a day, for our intellectual inferiority to > accept. > > > > For so called Christians to say that God used controlled physical > evolution over aeons, to produce this universe, is a denial of His infinite > power. > > > > What next, some natural scientific explanation for rhe ressurection of > Jesus? Its already coming. watch for it. > > > > Philip. > > > > >