[geocentrism] Re: ignorance.
- From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:57:16 -0500
Philip,
Thank you for your follow up.
The Christian Brothers probably had at least four years to work with
you. Sometimes the soft approach may work, especially with enough time.
Other times the direct approach is the only way. Both teach the Truth.
If there was one size fits all, I'm sure we'd know about it.
At some point the non-Catholic simply needs to step back, search their
soul, and ask if they really believe they are putting Christ first and
are willing to go whereever the Truth leads them. If they honestly ask
Christ for this, He will not let them down. He will show them the Truth.
My experience tells me these people don't really want the Truth. They
want to stay right where they are and keep contending they are just
following the Bible (while ignorring the very passages which show them
the Truth). Maybe the reality of the path they are on to Hell will jolt
them to think again.
As you know, Mary was very blunt at Fatima in 1917, especially in
showing three little children the vision of Hell. I should be no less
blunt. Will these folks even look into the reality of Fatima. I doubt
it, since this would require they change.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Philip [mailto:joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:28 AM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: ignorance.
The problem is these people are committed to other things.
Regards,
Nick.
Yes, but I say their commitment can be as honest as is ours. Mistaken as
he is, (according to us) none can doubt the honest commitment of a young
Islamic suicide bomber. Do you see my drift why I think you /we may be
too harsh on Allen.
When I entered the Catholic School, they nominated me as a non Catholic,
and I was not required to attend religious instruction. I objected on
the grounds that I was not baptised into any denomination, and was an
athiest. Not because I souight truth, but honestly to challenge their
position and have fun. Such is youth.
They answered my challenges. There was no coercion. They never ever
threatened me with Hell in the manner that you seem to have done here on
this forum. Oh yes they convinced me of Hell, but no more to me than to
the rest of their own boys.
I'm not intending to weaken your obvious concern for their souls, and i
fully support your intentions, but I fear your dogmatic approach is too
antagonistic. I am sure the others realise your zeal for their souls is
honest, ja and allen have said as much, but you have to accept that they
feel the same way for you and me.
Calm ordered analysis of the subject is the order of the day, (as I
personally received at the Christian Brothers college in '48) however I
am not sure this is the forum for it, or indeed if Neville would allow
it.
Phiip Cut off time 48 hours away. exhausted, and intoxicated.
----- Original Message -----
From: Niemann, Nicholas K. <mailto:NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: ignorance.
Philip,
I'm not judging the person, which is for God alone. But, as you
know, this doesn't mean we cannot speak objectively. I stated the
assumption of "wilful" rejection. This was not intended to personally
judge someone, and if it was read that way, let this serve as a
clarification.
Also in front of Pilate, Christ said: "For this was I born, and
for this came I into the world, that I should give testimony to the
truth: every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice." John 18:37
(Douay Rheims). Do you think that if the person is committed to the
truth (i.e.Christ) that Christ will withhold the truth from him. I
don't think so. The problem is these people are committed to other
things.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Philip [mailto:joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:15 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] ignorance.
You are right, it is sin which condemns. And the now wilful
rejection of the Truth is such a sin.
Regards,
Nick.
I have a difficulty with that Nick. How can any but God judge
who WILFULLY rejects a truth and the one who through no fault of his
own, fails to comprehend a truth as truth?
I will probably get hit for this one, but I truly sympathise
with Pilate when he said "what is Truth" . Yet his wife was given the
grace to see it.
Philip.
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