[geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs attachment
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:41:51 +1000
Regner I was pleased at the amount of time you gave in answer to my points, as
left in place below. You seemed to want to differentiate between reality and
illusion.. and we both got sidetracked.
You said,
"Why is it an illusion?!?!
Why isn't it just a matter of perspective?
Both are equally real - they just depend on where you watch from."
Yet what I was calling an illusion in one or the other of two
perspectives, is exactly what you agreed with in your final conclusion, here:
A Helio-centric and a Geo-centric Solar system are two very different
situations that cannot be part of the same reality. Seeing the Sun, Moon, etc.,
set and rise from our perspective on Earth, is expected in one scenario and not
excluded in the other.
But one is wrong and which one, has to be established by other means.
Its is the wrong one that I would call an illusion. But we have not yet managed
here to find the means of establishing which perspective of observation of the
earths motion or stars motion is wrong. I hope that makes us back on the same
page.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Regner Trampedach
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:51 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs attachment
Regner in green.
philip madsen wrote:
Why is it an illusion?!?!
Why isn't it just a matter of perspective?
Both are equally real - they just depend on where you watch from.
- Regner
You are mathmatically correct , I did say reference frames were a
mathmatical tool, unrelated to reality.
They are mathematical/physical tools, but they are profusely real!
They describe your reference points in the real world when you do
measurements/observations of that real world.
I find it strange that you consider two different perspectives as equal
reality. There can only be one truth.
Two different perspectives are just two different ways of seeing the same one
truth.
I don't understand how you can have a problem with that. If I was sitting
still in a
train traveling at 180 km/h - then I would be both sitting still, and
traveling at 180km/h
towards my destination (assuming I boarded the right train) - for those in
the US; such
trains are actually common and useful in the rest of the world...
Perspective is an illusion,
So if I look at your front and another person looks at your back, we are both
suffering
an illusion - what are we supposed to see?
That you have a front- and a back-side are both part of the same reality, as
is the fact
that we can only see one side at a time.
unless you already agree with our proposition that the sun moves across the
sky of a stationary earth!
A Helio-centric and a Geo-centric Solar system are two very different
situations
that cannot be part of the same reality. Seeing the Sun, Moon, etc., set and
rise from
our perspective on Earth, is expected in one scenario and not excluded in the
other.
But one is wrong and which one, has to be established by other means.
- Regner
re the travelling ball:
Both cannot be equally real with respect to the ball itself which I am
discussing.. What is the ball in truth and reality doing? Thats real science.
But perspectives could be equally illusions, to the observer on the plane
or the alleged stationary observer outside the plane.
Unless we could establish an absolute stationary point, (which geocentrism
does) then we must assume all the different observations are illusions,
appearances. i.e. relative.
But in the jet plane I know the 2 ft drop in a straight line is an
illusion, because with my intellect I know that I and the ball are travelling
600mph. That much I know.
These are the only motions to consider for the geocentrist, but for the
heliocentrist there is no end, even at galactic motion.. What is the galaxy
motion referenced to.? etc etc etc...
Philip.
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