[geocentrism] Re: Wise as a serpent
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:26:14 +1000
In short, I now defend The Almighty, as I perceive The Almighty to be. The
black book does not fit in anymore with this understanding and I very much
regret that it ever did. Neville.
This means Neville that you deny God ever came to reveal anything to mankind..
This makes you and those of similar thought awfully alone, having only the
imaginings of your fragile mind.
It must mean as well that you have no valid argument to direct you towards
Geocentrism. This puts you with the majority anyway, even if its not validly
confirmed.
If Science alone, came to the conclusion that geocentrism was indeed the true
cosmology, and I believe it will one day, Science will still be awfully alone,
because it does not recognise the Book, or those who compiled its contents.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Wise as a serpent
Jack,
You are defending a book that you believe was divinely inspired. I used to do
the same. But that book is a collection of books, and we have very little real
evidence as to who wrote any of them.
Take prophecy. Many believe that the murder and mayhem in the world today is
divine will. Do you really think that The Almighty would use murderers, liars
and madmen like Bush, Cheney, Blair, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin to achieve
the ordained purpose? Would that not make The Almighty complicit in these
horrendous crimes?
Look at the flowers and the weeds. Did The Almighty create both? Or did
perhaps The Almighty create the flowers and the Devil create the weeds? Did The
Almighty create dolphins and the Devil come along and create sharks? Is mankind
created in two distinct images?
You never met the men who decided centuries ago which books would be included
and which would be rejected. Is it not possible that they had a particular
agenda?
In short, I now defend The Almighty, as I perceive The Almighty to be. The
black book does not fit in anymore with this understanding and I very much
regret that it ever did.
Best wishes,
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:58:29 +0100
Neville,
Me in red.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:08 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Wise as a serpent
Jack,
Let me see if I have this straight. I ask a question and you "don't
bother" answering it. Instead you "shake the dust off your feet." This comment
of yours is a statement, yet you expect me to answer a statement that solicits
no response, when you yourself won't answer a question that does.
I wasn't expecting you to answer anything because, as you quite rightly
said, I just made a comment, however I did think that my comment might have
solicited one from you. In the event it didn't - no problem.
There are other questions floating around here that you seemingly "don't
bother" with either, such as Paul's, Regner's, Steven's, ...
Actually I did answer Steven, twice. As for Paul and Regner what type of
questions did you mean? If they were of a scientific nature its probable that
either I didn't know enough or had the time to invest in lengthy discussions.
I'm content to ask questions, even if they are banal, to elicit a comment which
I may or may not want to pursue further. Often others take up the subject in a
way that I couldn't. If their questions were of a philosophical nature, then it
would have been a waste of my time since they are, imho, unlikely to be really
interested in the answer.
The reason I stay on this forum is because I believe that God made the
Earth the centre of the universe. Why? Because the book you so despise tells me
so, and it was you Neville who led me to it! However I soon learn't that it is
fruitless to try and discuss the Bible with those who cannot 'see or
understand' what it is saying. Occasionally I feel moved to make a point or
comment, but not much more. I feel quite confident that the more I see the
reasoning and intelectual contortions of well educated and intelligent people
who try to re-write and re-interpret the Bible, the more convinced I am that
the simple and unintelligent, but more spiritually discerning ordinary folk
know the truth. It wasn't the intelectuals that Jesus called as diciples, they
were people from Gallilee of all places! I would unhesitatingly apply this to
the so-called liberal, free-thinking Bible scholars as well. So I'm not just
singling out Unitarians or Roman Catholics, I'm including anyone who does not
accept thye Bible as the true word of God. This is what it is all about - being
able to discern the truth which comes, as you well know Neville, through the
Holly Spirit's indwelling. Intelligence and the wrong kind of reasoning can be
a serious barrier to being open to the Holy Spirit. If it wasn't for the Bible
you wouldn't know there was a Holy Spirit.
There must be a lot of dust on your shoes, though perhaps some of it gets
burnt off (The next bit is a typical Jones diatribe/mantra! 'Ya boo sucks'
would have sufficed.) when you're burning 'witches', or ritually slaughtering
and burning animals. Perhaps some gets knocked off by stray rocks flying around
when you're stoning people to death for picking up firewood on the Sabbath.
In sympathy with Regner's observation about bloodshed, there must be a
lot of Christians roaming around Iraq with dust on their feet as we speak.
Mixed in with Iraqi blood, of course.
As with all of us Neville, it will be between them and their conscience.
1 If someone tried to kill your wife would you defend her?
2 Would you defend her at the risk of killing the assailant?
3 What if someone in the assailant's family got in the way and also
got killed by you?
4 Would the assailant's friend be justified in killing you for killing
his friend and family?
6 Would a bystander be justified in not interfering and let it happen?
These may look like questions but they are meant to be thought provoking
scenarios.
All done in the name of what? Oh, whoops, I mustn't ask you a question.
:-)
Neville.
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