Well what do you think? Do you think we rotate about the axis of rotation or the magnetic north? Regards, Mike. Lol Ye are not going to trap me that easy mon. I don't tink we rotate at all. So I'll refrase the question. Do you think the universe rotates around the true north axis, or the magnetic north axis.? Hmm perhaps I should have said celestial axis.... Seeing as you are a wee bit newer to the list I tink, I should re iterate my position. So far none has proved to me that the situation/re geocentrism can be resolved in any way by science. It is a conflict of two faiths..... Relativity is like that. Poor Alan, who left in a huff before a superior force lol, said that a state of complete, repeat COMPLETE immobility could not exist. Of course what he meant was, that it could not be detected and proven. But he would never admit that that was what he meant. He insisted that it could not exist. You don't even need to believe in God to be able to conceive a state of immobility. Three more beers and I'll just make it. Philip.