[geocentrism] Re: Trinity
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:25:10 +1000
Neville to answer your point of issue, one would need for you to take all the
points of scripture that Jack presented and use wisdom (which is different from
reason) to comprehend .. for example,
[Does Christ not pray that you and I (and Jack and ... ) may be one? Just as he
and his God are one?]
You inserted the words "Just as.." which Jesus did not say, to make your
correlation. In the first instance you cannot deny He could have meant we are
to be one in faith.. Whereas in the other text below, He insists on a
trinitarian view. 7 And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
Using your philosophy, one of the statements appears to be a contradiction, and
as such you call it a lie.. One of them has to be a lie, except in truth it is
our understanding that is faulty..
Christ was not a spirit when he said this, but was flesh and blood. and Divine.
Those who condemned Him believed he claimed to be God.
63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said to him: I adjure thee by
the living God, that thou tell us if thou be the Christ the Son of God. 64
Jesus saith to him: Thou hast said it. Nevertheless I say to you, hereafter you
shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God and
coming in the clouds of heaven. Son of Man, incarnate of the flesh by Mary,
and the Holy Ghost . and the WORD BECAME FLESH. 65 Then the high priest rent
his garments, saying: He hath blasphemed: What further need have we of
witnesses? Behold, now you have heard the blasphemy.
34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee
and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the
Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Neville, Scripture can be made to fit what ever the mind of man desires it to
do. If you decide to believe with the High Priest that He was a blasphemer,
then you will find your justification in scripture easily enough, especially if
you discount St. Paul, and heaps of the OT.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Trinity
-----Original Message-----
From: joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:50:53 +1000
but you cannot make Christ out to be a liar by claiming that my taking his
words as they are recorded is wrong because it does not fit in with your
three-gods idea. Neville..
but Neville there is but One God.. three persons..not three gods. If
that is a conundrum, it is meant to be one. Jesus said, I and the father are
one..John 10-30. 1 John 5-7
Yes, but Philip, you now do have to consider contextual argument.
If Jesus were God he would not say "I and the father are one," but rather,
"I am God." "And the father" is most definitely indicating a separate,
distinct entity.
Furthermore, Christ teaches us that "God is a spirit and must be worshipped
in spirit and in truth." Christ was not a spirit when he said this, but was
flesh and blood.
Where does Christ tell anyone to worship him?
Neville.
7 And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word,
and
the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Trinity
Jack,
It seems like my efforts are wasted in replying to you. Point number 1,
below, makes it clear that Jesus' straightforward statement is not, under any
stretch of the imagination, taken out of context. "I am going now to your
father and my father, to my God and your God." He could not have made this
simpler if he had taken a week to word it. You are holding fast to the trinity
idea, as Christians do, but you cannot make Christ out to be a liar by claiming
that my taking his words as they are recorded is wrong because it does not fit
in with your three-gods idea.
You haven't answered the question about pork, which was, if I remember
correctly, why do you eat it?
Neville.
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