Allen D OK! If you accept the rotation and revolution figures given, then you accept that Mars has rotation on an axis which is ~ 36 deg from Earth's axis of rotation and thus has a different celestial pole about which nightly star trails will be evident. You also accept that Mars revolves around the Sun once in 687 Earth mean solar days on an ecliptic plane which is close to Earth's ecliptic plane -- a little less than two deg difference -- but whose ecliptic pole will therefore differ from Earth's ecliptic pole by about those same two deg. Now for the crunch. What actions would you take on Mars to show photographically that Mars revolves around the martian ecliptic pole once in 667 earth mean solar days while simultaneously rotating on its axis once in ~ 24h 37m? Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2007 12:52:24 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Translational motion of Mars I'm going to assume it is consisent with MS ..Then yes Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Excellent! Will you then accept these data as 'fairly accurate'? Mars Inclination of orbit to plane of ecliptic......................................................................1.85 deg Inclination of axis of rotation to orbital plane...................................................(90 - 24) deg South pole star Kappa Velorum ( '~ couple of deg' ).......ra 9.369 deg; dec -55.011 deg Mean solar day...........................................................................................24h 39m 35.244s Sidereal day...............................................................................................24h 37m 22.663s Year............................................................................................................687.035 m s days Earth South pole star ( '~ one deg' ) Sigma Octantus.....................ra 21.146 deg; dec -88.956 Mars-Earth Distance between southern pole stars.................................................................35.93 deg Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2007 12:16:28 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Translational motion of Mars Yes Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Do you believe that Mars orbits the Sun? Paul D Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html