[geocentrism] Re: Tides

  • From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:14:13 -0800

Thank you, Paul, that is most helpful.

I did not mean to come across as an expert on geodesic surveys. It's just that as I was reading the article, I thought to myself "what about the moisture content in the wooden measuring rods?" Then, later, I saw that this was indeed a major problem, which they had to overcome. I also thought, "what about the expanding or contracting of the metal measuring rods, depending upon whether they were in Lapland, France or high in the Andes of Peru?" The author then addressed that one, to his credit.

There are other things to take into account, like altitude, topography and angle determinations, and these things ring alarm bells with me when someone claims to have measured such a relatively small 'bulge'. Passing electric currents along wires is interesting, but there again assumptions must be made as to the 'straightness' of the cables. Radio seems to be the key.

However, as I say, I am no expert on this. I need to do a lot more reading. I cannot, therefore, claim that the measurement is flawed for this reason or that, only that I have yet to be convinced that such a measurement is achievable.

Neville.


-----Original Message-----
From: paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:50:08 +0000 (GMT)

Neville J
My -- you did read closely!
I've looked further and found another interesting document which looks at this measurement. I have attached a text document with excerpts which might alleviate some of your misgivings on this matter. Note that the Google reference will lead to the document -- 434 k -- but the author's url would appear to be broken. I did not test his email address.
I am ignorant of numbers such as '1:283' when referring to these shapes. I infer from your response below that you understand something of geodesic survey. Can you explain please?

Paul D



----- Original Message ----
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May, 2008 8:17:46 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Tides

All,

"One event of unusual interest was the several very long lines across Lake Superior they were able to observe despite the fact they were theoretically not intervisible. While very rare, when found, these observations, known as refracted lines because the signals are seemingly lifted by atmospheric conditions so they can be sighted on, generally involve sights across water, as was the case here. One such line was reported in the 1930's Hudson River arc."

The above quote is from the fourth page of the reference that Paul supplied. Dracup (the author) skims over this, which is a pity, because this is a very interesting area of geodesic surveying work.

As for the claimed earth 'bulge', the margin for error in these surveys seems to me to make the definitive 'bulge' measurement questionable at the very least.

Neville.


-----Original Message-----
From: njones@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:01:37 -0800

Thank you, Paul. Yes, I did miss it, but will read it now.

Neville.


-----Original Message-----
From: paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:11:22 +0000 (GMT)


Neville J
 
You said in -- From Neville Jones Mon May 12 23:32:18 2008 --
Has this equatorial 'bulge' been measured or observed? Or is it assumed?
Perhaps you missed this -- From Paul Deema Mon Aug 20 15:16:59 2007 -- http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/geodetic1.html
Here you will find a reference to the measurement in the middle 1730s.

The results showed conclusively that one degree of the meridian was longer in Lapland than at Paris and proved Newton's postulate to be correct. The expedition to Peru, the present day Ecuador departed in 1735 and returned nine years later with results that confirmed the Lapland finding, i.e. one degree of the meridian is shorter at the equator than in France. [Emphasis added]

I sought to illustrate this -- see attachment -- but it appears to my eye that the illustration and the description differ. If anyone can alleviate my dilemma, I'd be grateful.

 

Paul D

 
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