[geocentrism] Re: The aether again.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:33 +1000
Allen sayeth:
It is this latter which needs first consideration and verification. Robert
suggested moving the flywheel to a different space. How far is important as we
do not know.........
First up Allen Robert was referring to the aspden effect, which is an effect of
stored energy within the aether medium. If this medium moves away, which is
presumed, then so is this stored energy lost. Or another way, if the wheel is
moved to another space, so likewise. But your assertion is correct in that the
motor driving the wheel will restore the energy of Aspden to its new space, as
the aether permeates everything.
It is rather pointless discussing this till experimental verification is
acomplished. I'm still doing my magnet thing. But one researcher claimed that
he interposes a large flywheel, Diameter is more efficient than weight, between
the motor drive, and the generator. He then revs up the flywheel and
generator, to max with load, and then turns off the petrol so to speak, lets
the flywheel glide and do the work for a prescribed time, and before the speed
drops too much, hits the petrol again, a sort of pulz and glide.. claining
more efficiency than straight out continuous petrol..
I would prefer to verify this experiment with my own accurate instrumentation,
as people can delude themselves.. And other people are just going to laugh as
they KNOW it all. Which is why of a lot of things.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The aether again.
Phill, One other thing .....
It is this latter which needs first consideration and verification. Robert
suggested moving the flywheel to a different space. How far is important as we
do not know.........
I donʼt thing think removing the spinning disk from its location is going to
completely stop the effect ...................... It think the Aspeden effect
will still be there just not as pronounced no mater where you move it
to................The reason in short is that the aether permeates/ is
entrained in the molecular structure of the atoms (or visa versa) in the
spinning disk itself................how do i know this?.......... because a
hermetically sealed hard drive will still exhibit Gyroscopic effects ...if the
inside and outside aether (due to "aether contamination" during assembly fo the
hard drive) were isolated from each other then the there would be nothing for
the gyroscope to act or resist against...everything on the inside of the
hermetically sealed gyroscope would act as one....if it acted as one then there
would be nothing for the mass of the gyroscope to act against above the ambient
aether that it must move through when you pick it up off the table.....
....therefore the aether inside must still have continuity with the aether that
is outside the hermetically sealed gyroscope.. so as to act against ...but the
aether is still entrained in the molecular structure ......... so even if you
move the molecular structure to another spot and if the gyroscope is dragging
the aether to produce a min aetheral vortex then when the gyroscope is moved it
will drag although disrupt the vortex with it......the effect will still be
there but not as pronounced.....however the amount of the disruption should
tell us something about the aether as well...why...for the same reason that if
you conducted this experiment in liquid of some kind would tell you something
about the properties of the liquid.....I know we donʼt all agree on a liquid
but at the end of the day there is a interaction via dragging of aether Ie
currents and gyroscopic effects..ect.. or there is no direct interaction and
thus dragging........if there is a direct interaction (in contrasts to some
vibrational indirect action) dragging and such.....then to use any other term
then "liquid" would be hard if not impossible to justify external of a
Metaphysical analogy...if we are going or have reached the point of
metaphysical analogies/ explanations then probably we will not be able to take
physics any further and we can just claim "God did it" and all go home......no
matter what side you take on this issue there is going to be some point where
the naturalist can not explain any further using natural explanations and the
Creationist will be left with only a incomprehensible God.......but i donʼt
think we are there yet......
how far out from the periphery of the flywheel this field extends.
.........if you accept this effect, i suggest no reaon not to accept as at
least plausable Grav slingshots.....if so, then I would suggest we can
ascertain that from gravitational slingshots around the earth and other bodies
comparing the slingshots that are taken in the direction of solar orbit with
others if any that are not.....
----- Original Message ----
From: "allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:48:14 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The aether again.
Phil,
Me in blue...
..............
In essence if memory is correct, he stated that if "n" units of energy were
required to bring up a flywheel to max RPM , and then this flywheel was
stopped, and restarted within a minute or two the energy for the second effort
was n/x x being a factor which reduces with the time delay for the restart. It
was also alleged that this did not require that the restart be in the same
original direction. this needs to be looked at in more detail...exacly what
was the/if any difference between the subsequent and initial start
directions..........i am suspect of this for the reasons that follow.....but i
can also imagine some rather "thin reasons" as well......if that is true
[ It is worth the follow up in that no one has determined what energy was
obtained in bringing the wheel to rest. Was it n - n/x or n ? If n then pulze
and glide techniques on a flywheel will provide great mechanical advantage with
considerable worry for MS as regards the conservation of energy..(coz they do
not believe in an aether) ]
Back to subject: Two factors become obvious.
(a) The residual effort presumed to be held in space is not rotational. If
the storage medium is the aether, then it is not a rotating force.
How so?...it it rotation that iniates this effect.......... in any case...
1.Aspden effect, the Gyroscope effect ..the Grav slingshots( if you accept
them)...all are rotational effects and only demonstrated in the presense and
connection to and of rotaion.........
2.There is a bias within the aether itself...for EMR ( ie. MM & MG,
sacnac)including the CMB all show a bias in the diretion of
rotation..............the significance of this fact is that that EMR utilizes
the aether as it medium for propragation.......which in any case is in the
direction of aether/ universeal rotaion...
what may need to be understood better is "the how"...and i suggest that we
need to know the differences if any in the original direction as well as in the
opisite direction..........I dont think the experiment was conducted to show
the differences beween the initail and subsequent start
directions...............secondly it could just be that rotaion of mass creates
a "drill effect" ( which is actually just reduction/diminishing some
resistance/force) in the aether that gives the appearance of additional
force.....We could just be looking at force/ resitaince reduction....not
nessisarily a force increase....
and
(b) What is happening to cause the effect to disappear after time?
The elasticity of the function..........If it is a current then
viscosity..........if the Aspeden effect is truly not directionally dependent
then a kind of "drill effect" appears more likly ..something that is initially
..strong a first but once the source is removed it's strength diminishes like a
drill that is turned on then powere cut it still drills for a little bit..or..a
yell from on top of a mountain...oops i keep trying to sneak in my devious
vibrational wave forms donʼt I...:)
It is this latter which needs first consideration and verification. Robert
suggested moving the flywheel to a different space. How far is important as we
do not know how far out from the periphery of the flywheel this field extends.
I think we can assume the effect is stored in the aether. The effect could be
stored OR created OR some effect may be diminished within the aether....We also
assume the aether must move towards the west, ignoring other local factors, at
the earths latitudinal relative speed of rotation. There is a bias even within
the aether ie light and the CMB so it must be rotaional even to the aether
itself....because thoes things use the aether as their propragating medium......
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