[geocentrism] Re: Telekinesis - Psychokinesis
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:35:45 +1000
Further to Neville ,,, My mention of this fact concerning the shroud, nails
etc was an aside and off subject, in as much as my main objective was trying
to point out that there is quite a lot of evidence to support the power of
Faith, including biblical, the power of the mind and suggestion, such that
some experiments even though honestly presented as I believe Millers to be,
could be flawed because of telekineses....Particularly in Millers case, because
it all supported his own belief in the HC solar system.
However I found this section from memory which gives the reasoning behind my
remark, which realley stemned from the observation I made re the stigmata. The
link is http://www.delayedreaction.com/five.html and the whole article
Shroud of Turin Medical doctors analysis.
http://www.delayedreaction.com/index.html
"Research in the 1930's revealed the full significance of wrist-nailing.
The experiments were carried out by Dr. Pierre Barbet, then chief surgeon at
St. Joseph's Hospital, Paris, one of the city's largest teaching hospitals. He
had at his disposal excellent facilities for experimental work, both on corpses
and amputated limbs. Barbet, aware of the complexity of the bones in the wrist,
was concerned to establish the exact point, according to the Shroud, that the
nail had penetrated. He felt that there was a likelihood that small wrist bones
would have been broken in the process, and that was contrary to the Old
Testament prophecy regarding the Messiah, that not a bone of his should be
broken. (Ps. 34:20 and Ex. 12:46; cf. Jn. 19:36)
"Taking a freshly amputated arm, he held a nail at the point the Shroud
seemed to indicate, the chief bending fold of the wrist, at the very junction
of the hand and forearm. He gave the nail a firm blow. To his surprise it
diverted slightly upward and, with renewed blows, passed cleanly through the
wrist. It had found and enlarged a passageway that was already known by
anatomists as the "space of Destot" but was thought too small for a nail to
penetrate. It was clear to Barbet that the spot had been known and sought for
by one of the obviously experienced men who had carried out the crucifixion.
"What astounded him was a quite unexpected inward contraction of the
thumb, which happened spontaneously at the very moment of driving the nail
through the wrist. Careful probing with the scalpel revealed the reason. The
median nerve, one of the great nerves of the body, had been touched by the
nail, and this mechanical stimulus had "worked" the muscles, making the thumb
snap, as by remote control, into the palm.
"He referred to the Shroud. No thumbs were visible to either hand. In
life, the piercing by the nail had made this happen to the man of the Shroud.
In his own words: 'Could a forger have imagined this?'
"Although this experiment was carried out forty years ago, it has been
recognized by medical men even today as a brilliant piece of research, and one
of the many which carry absolute conviction for the Shroud's authenticity."
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"We are now drawn to the wounds of the crucifixion itself. First we
must establish that we can be quite confident we are dealing with a crucifixion
victim. The principal evidence for this lies in the flows of blood from the
wound in the left wrist. One of the most important aspects is the angle of the
two streams of blood closest to the hand, flowing toward the inner border of
the forearm. Other, interrupted streams run along the length of the arm as far
as the elbow, dripping toward the edge of the arm at angles similar to the
original flows. The first two flows are about ten degrees apart, the somewhat
thinner one at an angle of about fifty-five degrees from the axis of the arm
and the broader one closer to the hand at about sixty-five degrees. This
enables us to do two things:
1.. to compute that at the time the blood flowed, the arms must have
been raised at positions varying between fifty-five and sixty-five degrees from
the vertical, i.e., clearly a crucifixion position;
2.. to compute that because of the ten-degree difference the
crucified man must have assumed two slightly different positions on the cross,
that at sixty-five degrees representing full suspension of the body, that at
fifty-five degrees a slightly more acute angle of the forearm produced by
flexing the elbow to raise the body.
"We are enabled to deduce then that the crucifixion forced on the
victim an up-and-down or seesaw motion on the cross - perhaps, according to one
school of thought, in order to breathe, the arms in that position taking a
tension equal to nearly twice the weight of the body, inducing near-suffocation
if there was no crutch support; perhaps, according to another school of
thought, by the victim attempting to relieve himself of one unbearable agony,
the pain in his wrists, by raising himself, at the price of yet more pain, on
the living wounds in his feet.
"The very thought is harrowing, but it is intensified by detailed study
that has been made of the actual wrist-wound area itself. The great point of
interest for medical men is that the nail seems to have pierced the wrist
rather than, as traditionally depicted by artists, the palm of the hand. This
was observed early on by both Vignon and Delage, who regarded it as one of the
many features of the Shroud that carried absolute conviction. They knew that
suspension of a body on a cross by nailing through the palms would have
afforded no support, as the weight would simply have caused the nail to tear
through the flesh.
"Research in the 1930's revealed the full significance of
wrist-nailing. The experiments were carried out by Dr. Pierre Barbet, then
chief surgeon at St. Joseph's Hospital, Paris, one of the city's largest
teaching hospitals. He had at his disposal excellent facilities for
experimental work, both on corpses and amputated limbs. Barbet, aware of the
complexity of the bones in the wrist, was concerned to establish the exact
point, according to the Shroud, that the nail had penetrated. He felt that
there was a likelihood that small wrist bones would have been broken in the
process, and that was contrary to the Old Testament prophecy regarding the
Messiah, that not a bone of his should be broken. (Ps. 34:20 and Ex. 12:46; cf.
Jn. 19:36)
"Taking a freshly amputated arm, he held a nail at the point the Shroud
seemed to indicate, the chief bending fold of the wrist, at the very junction
of the hand and forearm. He gave the nail a firm blow. To his surprise it
diverted slightly upward and, with renewed blows, passed cleanly through the
wrist. It had found and enlarged a passageway that was already known by
anatomists as the "space of Destot" but was thought too small for a nail to
penetrate. It was clear to Barbet that the spot had been known and sought for
by one of the obviously experienced men who had carried out the crucifixion.
"What astounded him was a quite unexpected inward contraction of the
thumb, which happened spontaneously at the very moment of driving the nail
through the wrist. Careful probing with the scalpel revealed the reason. The
median nerve, one of the great nerves of the body, had been touched by the
nail, and this mechanical stimulus had "worked" the muscles, making the thumb
snap, as by remote control, into the palm.
"He referred to the Shroud. No thumbs were visible to either hand. In
life, the piercing by the nail had made this happen to the man of the Shroud.
In his own words: 'Could a forger have imagined this?'
"Although this experiment was carried out forty years ago, it has been
recognized by medical men even today as a brilliant piece of research, and one
of the many which carry absolute conviction for the Shroud's authenticity."
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