[geocentrism] Re: Steven's points

  • From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:30:22 -0800

Nice one, Philip.

The whole key to this is that in the heliocentric idea, the World has two motions with respect to the fixed stars. Geocentrism explains both, whereas heliocentrism explains one, but cannot account for the other.

The reason for this is that the plane of the ecliptic (of relevance in either model) produces an ecliptic polar axis that is fixed in the heliocentric idea, but which rotates in a geocentric universe.

Since the heliocentric model fundamentally cannot account for observational fact, then the model must be wrong.

Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com


-----Original Message-----
From: pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:57:00 +1000

Ok all.  I have just come off the phone with the local Observatory at Maidenwell Qld.
 
I told him of our problem as regards what is observed. He replied that it was right up his alley, and he was working on star trails.. 
 
"Good."  I said, "then you agree that an observer rotating with the earth in 24 hours at the equator will see the N or S polar star prescribe a circle/" 
 
"Yes of course" he replies, even giving me both Northern and souther examples. .
 
"Well then why doesn't this same observer see this same star prescribe an even greater circle over a period of observation for one year?"
 
"Because it doesn't. It will stay in that same part of the sky"  he replied quite emphatically.  
 
"Why not?" The heliocentrist in me was actually quite surprised.
 
"Quite simple. The earth is tilted at that part of the sky. The tilt is maintained toward that part of the sky throughout the orbit around the sun, and so the star always appears in the same spot."
 
"Ok!" I was already confirmed in what MS observed, that Steven was citing the officially accepted observation, but I wanted to now stir his education in geometry.
 
 "You are saying that if the observer moves over a base line equal to the diameter of the earth the apex of the triangle with that star will appear to prescribe a circle. Yet if the same observer moves over a base line equal to the diameter of the earths orbit, over a year,  the apex of the triangle with the same star will not change its position at all."
 
"thats right."
 
He didn't seem to understand my simple geometrical example..  If my geometry was wrong, then he should have been able to expose the error of my reasoning.. Yet he went to the trouble to explain that the observer on the equator during our daily rotation will see a greater deviation than one closer to the poles.
 
"what's it all about/"  It sounded like he expected to hear from a geocentrist, but I held my peace. I had no audience.. LOL
 
 I thanked him and hung up in disgust,
 
Philip.

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