You all continue to think I am not hearing you. I hear your faith about what you believe to be true, loud and clear. I am not asking anybody to defend catholicism. I have been simply trying to make a point about what is responsible for salvation, since Nick decided to tell me and others repeatedly, that we are all going to hell for not being in the catholic church. He is constantly on the attack. In fact It would seem that this is Nick's only purpose in participating in this forem - to convince all non-catholics that they are going to hell - and that because he has told us the truth, in his own warm and caring way, that we are all doomed without accepting his words. I've been on for awhile, Nick, and I can't remember you putting up anything other than your own brand of righteous condemnation. Not a single contribution to the topic of geocentrism. JA --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page