[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick
- From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:30:59 -0500
Allen,
If you are seriously interested, read the book by Stephen K. Ray called
"Upon This Rock". It contains both the biblical and historical basis
and addresses the arguments which have been raised. (Ignatius Press,
San Francisco). It's about 300 pages, so I don't want to get into a
email battle, since it covers it well.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Allen Daves [mailto:allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:51 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick
Nick,
I can Quote Book Chapter and Verse that Peter is not the rock and in
fact Petere himself states as much.....I just wanted to see if you were
interested in disscussing scripture... You are right there has been
little respect for scripture shown here.
Allen
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen,
I've seen what good (or lack thereof) the Bible verse slinging
does on this forum. If you want a Biblical basis for Peter as the rock,
read Denzinger. I'm not going to write a book for you when it's already
been done. Denzinger is a compilation that has already been done. Read
it, rather than just responding that "there is none".
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Allen Daves [mailto:allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:22 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick
I have the history and Scripture.....My point was is that there
is none........ The whole basses for such is on the premise on peter
being the rock that the church was built on.
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen,
Scripture. History. Faith.
Take a look at Denzinger, if you are serious. It will
show you the scriptural basis for the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Allen Daves [mailto:allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:36 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick
What makes you think.....From scripture that the Roman
Catholic Church and her doctrine is what solely constitutes THE CURCH?
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen,
Thank you for your follow up.
Can you tell me where in the Bible it says God
gave us a choice on agreeing "with their doctrine". Seems to be
"precise", you should recognize the official teaching of the Roman
Catholic Church is that there is no salvation outside of it. So, you
can choose not to "agree" with its doctrine, but realize this puts you
outside of her and therefore not on the path of salvation. It's a risk
you apparently are willing to take. Again, if you are therefore not
with Christ's Church, you are against it.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Allen Daves
[mailto:allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:54 AM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick
Thanks, I appreciate the link... .. I Take your
point let me make my comment precise. I am not of the Roman Catholic
congregation but I do not see the Roman Catholic Church as the enemy.
.even if I don't agree with their doctrine.
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Allen,
This Bible may be purchased from
Catholic Treasures. www.catholictreasures.com
<http://www.catholictreasures.com/> .
See this attachment:
http://www.catholictreasures.com/cgi-bin/search/search.pl?Terms=haydock
As to your comment, Allen, you are
either pro or anti Catholic. If you're not for, you are against. It's
really that simple.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Allen Daves
[mailto:allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:19 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of
Tarsus.. Nick
Nick, I am not pro or anti Chatholic. I
have and do know how to answer these rediculous charges. But, I would be
very interested in Fr. Geo. Leo Haydock's book. I I could do a search
but if you know readily please tell me. Thanks.
"Niemann, Nicholas K."
<NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,
There is a lot of back and forth debate
on what various provisions in the Bible mean. Admittedly, Paul can be
difficult to understand, as Peter admits.
For those who are actually interested in
what Catholic "thinkers" have thought about virtually every passage in
the Old and New Testaments over the centuries, I'd suggest the Haydock
version of the Douay-Rheims Bible. This contains annotations compiled
by Rev. Fr. Geo. Leo Haydock which occupy about half of the text. It
addresses the various passages you've all been debating.
Neville, I'm relatively certain you
won't be asking me how to obtain your own personal copy. You'd rather
just continue spouting off about how Catholics don't think. Please
prove me wrong.
Regards,
Nick
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From: Dr. Neville Jones
[mailto:ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:21 AM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of
Tarsus
First, Messiah says:
(Mat 23:29-36 KJV) Woe unto you, scribes
and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets,
and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in
the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in
the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up
then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto
you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill
and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and
persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the
righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel
unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the
temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come
upon this generation.
THEN, what does Saul say? :
(Acts 23:6 KJV) But when Paul perceived
that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out
in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a
Pharisee: ...
(BTW: If anyone cannot understand the
old English of the KJV, then presumably they could perhaps look these
scriptures up for themselves in their favourite version?)
Neville.
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