[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
You have to ignore the text not to understand that Jesus is the Seed of
Abraham.......
Mathew 1:18. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother
Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with
child of the Holy Spirit. 19. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and
not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.
20. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to
take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy
Spirit. 21. "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name
Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.''
"Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Philip,
Yours is a good point, and one that I have been pondering for the last two or
three days.
Messiah arrives (is born) from the seed of Abraham (both Josef and Miriam are
of the seed of Abraham, through King David), but he is not the seed of Abraham.
He must be the seed of YeHVaH, because he is the only begotten son of the Most
High.
The question really boils down to whether I believe that YeHVaH Elohiym,
hallowed be His name, created Yeshuwa' from nothing and placed him in Miriam's
womb, or whether the Holy Spirit fertilized Miriam's egg. At the moment I do
not know. Perhaps I'll never know.
A fine question.
Neville.
Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
because he is the seed of YeHVaH Elohiym, hallowed be His name.
Neville I just wonder then, why Scripture went to so much trouble to show the
Royal lineage of David to Mary His mother. Are you saying that Jesus had a
unique genetic structure perhaps a reformation of the perfect man Adam? There
is nothing to prevent God from perfecting the gene pool to produce Mary who
bore the second Adam, giving Him the First Adams, genes.
Philip.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
2.The Yeshuwa? is not the seed of YeHVaH Elohiym he IS God nor can you show
that he is from scripture.
Nowhere does Yeshuwa' claim to be Elohiym, but the son of the Most High.
Therefore, if you are right, Yeshuwa' is not the seed of Abraham. And if I am
right, then he is not the seed of Abraham either, because he is the seed of
YeHVaH Elohiym, hallowed be His name.
Neville.
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