[geocentrism] Re: Regner concedes?
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:39:06 -0800 (PST)
Phil,
I did read your question..it is just your question is loaded....and missis
the point..regaurdless of what porstion you take it is not a proof it is still
only a description of belife...." to those who acccept or dont accept the
aether is based on other belifes/ reasons those who use them are envoking
descriptions of mechanics not a proof..it works both ways in newton..that is
the point ...
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen said,
Phil,
you are still only giving us HC descriptions of why it happens not proof...i
can just as eaisly give you GC's descriptions of what is taking
place...descriptions only describe they do not prove !
One thing can be depended on allen you do not read the question hence you do
not answer it.
My question was in brown and I will dissect it..
I have said it before:as a possibility, there is no other explanation other
than to accept that the earth moves..
Notice I said nothing about a proof... I said " To those who do not accept
the aether " there is no other explanation than that the earth moves..
I was not saying that it was a proof to me or you or Neville.... I say again,
according to them, the gyro is ample evidence that the earth moves. If you cant
accept that then you do not accept the existence og gyro navigational
instruements.. That makes you a wacko!
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Regner concedes?
Phil,
you are still only giving us HC descriptions of why it happens not proof...i
can just as eaisly give you GC's descriptions of what is taking
place...descriptions only describe they do not prove !
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen said: .....so matter how you approach it Phill, Newtons laws
do not indicate or prove anything...Why you instist that they do is beyond
me...All this was coverd over 100 years ago AND THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE BY
MS THAT NEWTON'S LAWS DID NOT PROVE HC OVER GC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11...WHERE HAVE
YOU BEEN OL BOY...!?
OK ... as we both know Knewton wasd a Kabalist, and you obviously won't
accept even a truthful word from him, I will put it another way.
My observed law of motion as regards a rotating flywheel, as observed and
proven in the laboratory of the world is as follows.. a simple law not
including precession.
Phils law:
1. A rotating flywheel in any orientation, will resist any rotation against
the orbital plane.
Practical application: This principle can be used to detect angular motion
with extreme accuracy. Example aircraft instrumentation taken from Flight
Instruments - Level 3
Gyroscopic Systems and Instrumentshttp://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/GSI.htm
A. GENERAL
The gyro instruments include the heading indicator, attitude indicator and
turn coordinator (or turn-and-slip indicator). Each contains a gyro rotor
driven by air or electricity and each makes use of the gyroscopic principles to
display the attitude of the aircraft. It is important that instrument pilots
understand the gyro instruments and the principles governing their operation.
B. PRINCIPLES
1. RIGIDITY IN SPACE: The primary trait of a rotating gyro rotor is rigidity
in space, or gyroscopic inertia. Madsen's First Law states in part: "A body in
motion tends to move in a constant speed and direction unless disturbed by some
external force". The spinning rotor inside a gyro instrument maintains a
constant attitude in space as long as no outside forces change its motion. This
stability increases if the rotor has great mass and speed. Thus, the gyros in
aircraft instruments are constructed of heavy materials and designed to spin
rapidly (approximately 15,000 rpm for the attitude indicator and 10,000 rpm for
the heading indicator).
The heading indicator and attitude indicator use gyros as an unchanging
reference in space. Once the gyros are spinning, they stay in constant
positions with respect to the horizon or direction. The aircraft heading and
attitude can then be compared to these stable references. For example, the
rotor of the universally mounted gyro (See Universally Mounted Gyro figure, on
the right) remains in the same position even if the surrounding gimbals, or
circular frames, are moved. If the rotor axis represents the natural horizon or
a direction such as magnetic north, it provides a stable reference for
instrument flying.
2. PRECESSION: Another characteristic of gyros is precession, which is the
tilting or turning of the gyro axis as a result of applied forces. When a
deflective force is applied to the rim of a stationary gyro rotor, the rotor
moves in the direction of the force. When the rotor is spinning, however, the
same forces causes the rotor to move in a different direction, as though the
force had been applied to a point 90° around the rim in the direction of
rotation (See the Precession Force figure, below right). This turning movement,
or precession, places the rotor in a new plane of rotation, parallel to the
applied force.
Unavoidable precession is caused by aircraft maneuvering and by the internal
friction of attitude and directional gyros. This causes slow "drifting" and
thus erroneous readings. When deflective forces are too strong or are applied
very rapidly, most older gyro rotors topple over, rather than merely precess.
This is called "tumbling" or "spilling" the gyro and should be avoided because
it damages bearings and renders the instrument useless until the gyro is
erected again. Some of the older gyros have caging devices to hold the gimbals
in place. Even though caging causes greater than normal wear, older gyros
should be caged during aerobatic maneuvers to avoid damage to the instrument.
The gyro may be erected or reset by a caging knob. Many gyro instruments
manufactured today have higher attitude limitations than the older types. These
instruments do not "tumble" when the gyro limits are exceeded, but, however, do
not reflect pitch attitude beyond 85 degrees nose up or nose
down from level flight. Beyond these limits the newer gyros give incorrect
readings. These gyros have a self-erecting mechanism that eliminates the need
for caging. The tumble limits of older gyros and the attitude limitations of
the newer gyros follow.
C. GYRO POWER SOURCES. snip.... Did you know that this precession of the
engine turbines causes the ships bow to raise up out of the water during a
tight turning manouvre?
Ok Allen, if this instrument is mounted on the ground and not subjected to
any extreme forces, pointing at the sun or anywhere else in space, if set
correctly with respect to the alleged angular rotation of the earth, it will
show a definite deviation a rotation identical to the earths rotation . It will
over a longer period show the annual angular motion around the sun .
I have said it before, to those who do not accept the aether as a
possibility, there is no other explanation other than to accept that the earth
moves.. why are you silent Paul?
I have said it before: To those who do not accept the aether as a
possibility, there is no other explanation other than to accept that the earth
moves..
Do you not agree? I placed it twice, because you usually ignore the key
question and go off on something else. The question is brown....
Philip.
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