Allen said, Phil, you are still only giving us HC descriptions of why it happens not proof...i can just as eaisly give you GC's descriptions of what is taking place...descriptions only describe they do not prove ! One thing can be depended on allen you do not read the question hence you do not answer it. My question was in brown and I will dissect it.. I have said it before:as a possibility, there is no other explanation other than to accept that the earth moves.. Notice I said nothing about a proof... I said " To those who do not accept the aether " there is no other explanation than that the earth moves.. I was not saying that it was a proof to me or you or Neville.... I say again, according to them, the gyro is ample evidence that the earth moves. If you cant accept that then you do not accept the existence og gyro navigational instruements.. That makes you a wacko! Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Regner concedes? Phil, you are still only giving us HC descriptions of why it happens not proof...i can just as eaisly give you GC's descriptions of what is taking place...descriptions only describe they do not prove ! philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen said: .....so matter how you approach it Phill, Newtons laws do not indicate or prove anything...Why you instist that they do is beyond me...All this was coverd over 100 years ago AND THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE BY MS THAT NEWTON'S LAWS DID NOT PROVE HC OVER GC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN OL BOY...!? OK ... as we both know Knewton wasd a Kabalist, and you obviously won't accept even a truthful word from him, I will put it another way. My observed law of motion as regards a rotating flywheel, as observed and proven in the laboratory of the world is as follows.. a simple law not including precession. Phils law: 1. A rotating flywheel in any orientation, will resist any rotation against the orbital plane. Practical application: This principle can be used to detect angular motion with extreme accuracy. Example aircraft instrumentation taken from Flight Instruments - Level 3 Gyroscopic Systems and Instruments http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/GSI.htm A. GENERAL The gyro instruments include the heading indicator, attitude indicator and turn coordinator (or turn-and-slip indicator). Each contains a gyro rotor driven by air or electricity and each makes use of the gyroscopic principles to display the attitude of the aircraft. It is important that instrument pilots understand the gyro instruments and the principles governing their operation. B. PRINCIPLES 1. RIGIDITY IN SPACE: The primary trait of a rotating gyro rotor is rigidity in space, or gyroscopic inertia. Madsen's First Law states in part: "A body in motion tends to move in a constant speed and direction unless disturbed by some external force". The spinning rotor inside a gyro instrument maintains a constant attitude in space as long as no outside forces change its motion. This stability increases if the rotor has great mass and speed. Thus, the gyros in aircraft instruments are constructed of heavy materials and designed to spin rapidly (approximately 15,000 rpm for the attitude indicator and 10,000 rpm for the heading indicator). The heading indicator and attitude indicator use gyros as an unchanging reference in space. Once the gyros are spinning, they stay in constant positions with respect to the horizon or direction. The aircraft heading and attitude can then be compared to these stable references. For example, the rotor of the universally mounted gyro (See Universally Mounted Gyro figure, on the right) remains in the same position even if the surrounding gimbals, or circular frames, are moved. If the rotor axis represents the natural horizon or a direction such as magnetic north, it provides a stable reference for instrument flying. 2. PRECESSION: Another characteristic of gyros is precession, which is the tilting or turning of the gyro axis as a result of applied forces. When a deflective force is applied to the rim of a stationary gyro rotor, the rotor moves in the direction of the force. When the rotor is spinning, however, the same forces causes the rotor to move in a different direction, as though the force had been applied to a point 90° around the rim in the direction of rotation (See the Precession Force figure, below right). This turning movement, or precession, places the rotor in a new plane of rotation, parallel to the applied force. Unavoidable precession is caused by aircraft maneuvering and by the internal friction of attitude and directional gyros. This causes slow "drifting" and thus erroneous readings. When deflective forces are too strong or are applied very rapidly, most older gyro rotors topple over, rather than merely precess. This is called "tumbling" or "spilling" the gyro and should be avoided because it damages bearings and renders the instrument useless until the gyro is erected again. Some of the older gyros have caging devices to hold the gimbals in place. Even though caging causes greater than normal wear, older gyros should be caged during aerobatic maneuvers to avoid damage to the instrument. The gyro may be erected or reset by a caging knob. Many gyro instruments manufactured today have higher attitude limitations than the older types. These instruments do not "tumble" when the gyro limits are exceeded, but, however, do not reflect pitch attitude beyond 85 degrees nose up or nose down from level flight. Beyond these limits the newer gyros give incorrect readings. These gyros have a self-erecting mechanism that eliminates the need for caging. The tumble limits of older gyros and the attitude limitations of the newer gyros follow. C. GYRO POWER SOURCES. snip.... Did you know that this precession of the engine turbines causes the ships bow to raise up out of the water during a tight turning manouvre? Ok Allen, if this instrument is mounted on the ground and not subjected to any extreme forces, pointing at the sun or anywhere else in space, if set correctly with respect to the alleged angular rotation of the earth, it will show a definite deviation a rotation identical to the earths rotation . It will over a longer period show the annual angular motion around the sun . I have said it before, to those who do not accept the aether as a possibility, there is no other explanation other than to accept that the earth moves.. why are you silent Paul? I have said it before: To those who do not accept the aether as a possibility, there is no other explanation other than to accept that the earth moves.. Do you not agree? I placed it twice, because you usually ignore the key question and go off on something else. The question is brown.... Philip. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 4:36 AM