[geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:49:33 -0700 (PDT)
I don’t have a problem with “MAYBE IM WRONG “ ..but maybe I’m wrong is not a
logical or scriptural reason for objecting to anything (particularly sound
doctrine..lol).
Again, Phil, I can agree...people twist and don’t use scripture properly all
the time and there is a difference between opinion and dogma ..but as i keep
pointing out ...why can't you demonstrate that to be the case ?...are the
scriptures understandable and or coherent or not?! If they are, then there is
no reason why one cannot demonstrate their doctrine....it is either found in
scripture or not? This brings us back to the same place we were before....is
the problem with making sense of scripture because scripture can only be
properly interpreted in millions of different ways all of which ar eequaly
valid?!...or is scripture logical and coherent but many if not most of its
"interpreters" are not logical or coherent. If scripture is coherent and
logical ( one would think sound reasoning is a property of the author cough)
(consistency is a mark of sound reasoning regardless of ones "philosophy") if
it is, then when someone misapplies scripture
or makes a mistake in using scripture much like one may make a mistake with a
80000 piece jigsaw puzzle or puts fourth ideas/ doctrines that are inconsistent
with it, then it follows that the error should be possible to demonstrate in
fact not opinion! ...Again, if scripture is coherent and can be logically
(consistently) applied. Otherwise, you are left with a “authority of doctrine
(even in the RC camp) that is by definition incoherent, inconsistent and makes
no sense without first knowing what the truth is so as to "interpret it
properly". If that is the case then:
1.Scripture is not a guide to the truth but rather something that needs the
truth in order to understand and interpret it.
2. There is no way to claim scripture as giving authority to anyone for the
purpose of interpreting it without first knowing what the truth is so as to
make sure your interpretation of who ‘s job it is, is the correct
interpretation.
If it is coherent and authoritative for doctrine, then someone anyone should be
able to demonstrate the doctrine…………if you cannot demonstrate your doctrine
then maybe….. just maybe, your doctrine is the problem……… I duknow…what you
think?
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:32 PM
I understand Phil,
What your saying is fine except if it is true then you should have no problem
demonstrating from scripture the error ..but my point is you cannot. Therefore,
either the scripture is logically incoherent and un-discernable or it is
logical and discernable but your position is not Consistent with the text. You
see the choice is not between me and interpretation & or “my view” it is really
about the scripture and your/ the futurist view! Mine is demonstrated at least
thus far consistent with the text and the futurist...is........I'm waiting for
it....? Allen
According to your opinion Allen..But there is an old saying that the insane
person thinks he is sane and all the rest are mad.
Hence Scripture has warned us all here about wasting our time the way we are,
and maybe of even leading someone astray? . Philip.
13 But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to his promises, in
which justice dwelleth.
14 Wherefore, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you
may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace. 15 And account the
longsuffering of our Lord, salvation: as also our most dear brother Paul,
according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are
certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being
led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.
Peter
Other related posts:
