[geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Pete: "Other translations say "the great Apostacy comes first", so, my question
is, in the 20 odd years between 52 ad and 74 ad, did a falling away occur?, was
the man of sin revealed, the son of perdition, showing himself that he is God?
Sounds like a pretty important event there, too important to have been lost to
history"
Allen: "The falling away"is a very importaint event!,However, i want you to
think and use scripture. Before I answer this completly, Just what exactly do
you think is going to fall away?......The church?! The bride of Christ?!, The
Heavenly City?! The new Jeruselem?! the land of God?! Where in God destroyed
the sinners thereof out of?!
what according to scripture is going "to be revealed"; "destroyed"; and "fall
away"..who was in the land and temple of God ..........ummmmm..hint: it is "the
mystery of Iniquity" .....I wonder what that is.......what say you?
2 Thessalonians 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord
Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2. That ye be not soon
shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter
as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3. Let no man deceive you by
any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and
exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that
he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5.
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6.
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7. For
the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way. 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall
consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of
his coming: 9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders, 10. And with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the
truth, that they might be saved. 11. And for this cause God shall send them
strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be
damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Hebrews 12:22. But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the
living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of
angels, 23. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are
written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men
made perfect, 24. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the
blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25. See
that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him
that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him
that speaketh from heaven: 26. Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he
hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also
heaven. 27. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those
things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which
cannot be shaken may remain. 28. Wherefore
we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we
may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29. For our God is a
consuming fire.
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:48 AM
Peter,
I'm not saying nor did i ever imply that Christ was already there?!..Revealtion
was written march 1 AD 69 + 45 Days...I have already covered this...This fact
can be prven from the text itself
The Apostles knew that Christ would come soon Because they belived Christ when
he said that generation and some of you would not taste death utill then....
Romans 16:20. And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
revelation 2:12. And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These
things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13. I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is:
Revelation 1:1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:18 AM
Just for starters, I thought I would compare you reasonings that Jesus presence
and 1000 year reign occurred during the time of the 7 congregations and whilst
Satan was in the abbyss.
Rev 2
10 Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will
keep on throwing some of YOU into prison that YOU may be fully put to the test,
Looks to me like the Devil is still active here.
12 “And to the angel of the congregation in Per´ga·mum write: These are the
things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, 13 ‘I know where
you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on
holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of
An´ti·pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where
Satan is dwelling.
Looks to me like it says Satan is dwelling in Per'ga-mum rather than the 1000
abbyss wrapped in chains.
24 “‘However, I say to the rest of YOU who are in Thy·a·ti´ra, all those who do
not have this teaching, the very ones who did not get to know the “deep things
of Satan,” as they say: I am not putting upon YOU any other burden. 25 Just the
same, hold fast what YOU have until I come. 26 And to him that conquers and
observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations,
Now here, Jesus is saying, "untill I come", but you are saying that Jesus was
allready there?
Another point, a reply to the Thessalonicans who had been hearing rumours that
the 2nd presence had allready began, written about 52 ad, Paul said "
2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by
our gathering together unto him,
2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by
word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there
come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of
perdition;
2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself
that he is God."
Other translations say "the great Apostacy comes first", so, my question is, in
the 20 odd years between 52 ad and 74 ad, did a falling away occur?, was the
man of sin revealed, the son of perdition, showing himself that he is God?
Sounds like a pretty important event there, too important to have been lost to
history.
Pete Charlton
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From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:25 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Psalm 19/ Christ 2nd Return
History demonstrates that for a 1000 years Christianity ruled supreme on the
earth. Were there bad people yes..where there bad people in the church
itself..yes..…was there false doctrines…yes….did everybody understand
everything alike ..no….but this is the kicker…There are far more "bad
people", war and false doctrine these days.....ummmChrist with saints reing a
1000 years then satan is released to compas the camp of the saints.. for 1000
years the Christan "spirit" ruled ...........Christ Kingdom is a spiritual
kingdom those that are resurected have a spiritual Body ..... The spirit of
Christ and the saints..DOMINATED much of the physical world. In fact John in
the book of Revelation is specifically writing to the 7 churches in Asia…..and
guess what ….Those 7 churches were in fact part of one of the largest and a
most wealthiest empires…it was known as the Byzantium empire…..oh yea the
church and "Christianity" ruled supreme
there and for a 1000 years…in fact, It was not even until the 1300’s that
Christianity was ruthlessly begun to be stamped out in China. After the
thousand years Satan was to be released…and guess what.. we can see it.... it
was called:
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