Dear Philip, How much of Catholic dogma is affected by this current New Vatican? Jack The question is phrased with difficulties. Catholic dogma has not and cannot change. But the New Vatican institution does no longer inforce any specific dogma other than all religions are equal. Hence I do not recognise it as catholic. But I get your question as "How different is the dogma of the new Vatican from Catholic." In a very practical way Jack. You could visit your local Catholic church and find yourself welcome, and they would share fellowship with you. And you would not have to change a single thing in which you believe today. In fact they would congratulate you, encourage you, and even perhaps ask if you could envite them to your own church. Its all "Lovy Dovy" today. Everybody gets to heaven by many doors. But you appear to be a fundamentalist.. You would definitely balk at next Saturdays visit to pray with the jews in the local synagogue. Muslims on thursday.. And then they might not like you so much when they discover your fundamentalist traditionalist stance. But so long as you adopt the attitude, of no dissent, of live an let live, its ok. But even you won't go to the synagogue would you. . You might be lumped into my mob and be ostracised.. One things certain, you will not find that catholic church there that is even remotely like the one from which you "escaped". I am assuming that was before V2. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Lewis To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: [geocentrism] New Varican Dear Philip, How much of Catholic dogma is affected by this current New Vatican? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An amusing article Nicely put, Philip. And I agree with you about popes not being able to change the real meaning/message (where that leaves infallibility I don't know), so I suppose I see the "New Vatican" idea that you have so often mentioned. As for the poem ... well ... don't give up your day job. :-) Neville www.GeocentricUniverse.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 29/09/2007 1:32 PM