[geocentrism] Moon Rotation

  • From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:52:56 -0800 (PST)

Don't mention it Phil....I'm here to sing your praises......I only hope you 
consider me and my feeble efforts worthy enough for so great a task.....







--- On Wed, 11/26/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 12:28 PM



I don't like to boast Allen, but thanks for the compliment.  It is rather 
lonely up here..  And Paul is on another island, which I think is sinking...but 
he has his hand out ..  I might be able to grasp it when he sees my light..  .  
Philip. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:21 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation






That is mighty pious of you Phil, .....and because of that, I’m sure I can 
speak for everyone else when I say thank you for your dignity in such difficult 
and trying circumstances that I have so relentlessly put you and Paul 
in.........Although I can’t help myself, I realize that If I would just stay 
out of the way ......You and Paul would surely be able to "see beyond the 
truth" to unmask the deep, dark and hidden secrets of the universe with your 
superior wisdom and logic that is for the rest of mankind beyond all 
comprehension.............If only the rest of the world could grasp your 
truths.....oh dreams may come..... LOL :-) 









 
 
 
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 PM



Yes Allen..I let you have the last say.   I am not game to say another thing as 
regards what you said below, for the sake of the rest of us. Phil. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation






Hey Phil, 
 

The ball slides in and out from the center of its orbit..it does not and cannot 
even if it wanted to rotate on a axis that runs though the ball itself....!?
 
what part of  "where is the moons majic rubber band's point of reference in the 
universe for it's majic ruber band?. The earth..well no ..coz the only 
progresive radial oreintaion that any poin on the moon makes lay in the earth 
....so where is this point of reference you attach your majic ruber band 
too?!.....Hey , fellas.......any absolute RF is a GU postion not AC!?.." did 
you not understand?..and again.. "cars on a race track do not rotate either 
they only have one common pont from which any part of the vehicle makes a 
progressive radial oreintaion to....its called center field! there is no 
rotaion...maybe you should start again at kindergaurden because your post is 
nonsense"...And Again.."Even Regner Did not agree with you!?.  
 
the foolishness and inconsistentcy here is yours ...
 
 

 






 
 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:01 PM



"I address all those other issues as well, on rotaion and your acceleration 
questions..... Refresher" Allen said
 
You addressed them to yourself Allen.. You failed on all counts to convince me 
that there was anything rational in what you said then or now..  
 
Take this little bit of contradiction in the one post..here today below.. you 
said. 
 
what forum did you wake up and think you or anyone here has produced any kind 
of argument that has not been totaly and soundly deated in both logic and 
experiment...  ....???
 
go back and read Bernnies example of the ball on the stick post.   ...????  
 
......you keep appealing to observation and reality but when it is show to you, 
you jump back to imaginary rubber bands and frames of reference that are 
not even valid in your own arguments!?...Like Bernies ball on a stick perhaps.. 
allen?  
 
Allen Bernie accepted the reality of the ball as a real experiment, equal in 
reality to the  kindergarten toy experiment.  
 
Philip. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation






Paul,
I think you have it back wards....if there was a rubber band on the moon where 
is tha band attached to?..it most certainly would not twist wrt the 
earth.....go back and read Bernnies example of the ball on the stick 
post.....you can find them at a kindergaurden.. cars on a race track do not 
rotate either they only have one common pont from which any part of the vehicle 
makes a progressive radial oreintaion to....its called center field! there is 
no rotaion...maybe you should start again at kindergaurden because your post is 
nonsense. 
 
.I address all those other issues as well, on rotaion and your acceleration 
questions..... Refresher:
Reproducable acceleraions are allways in every real experiment ever 
performed detectable via optical gyros....that goes for your "TWO 
CYLENDERS"..oh yea i already answered and addressed all of this months 
ago......putting a different wrapping paper on it does not make it any more 
valid..
 
....you are the one who is asleep inconsistent and complelty out of touch with 
your own failed sense of reality verse your feelings......you keep appealing to 
observation and reality but when it is show to you, you jump back to imaginary 
rubber bands and frames of reference that are not even valid in your own 
arguments!?.... ..where have you been?!..what forum did you wake up and think 
you or anyone here has produced any kind of argument that has not been totaly 
and soundly deated in both logic and experiment....this is earth Paul.....come 
down to it.....the dream is over.....:-)








 
 
 
 
 


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 8:03 AM



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Allen D

I'd ask you if the rubber band will twist except that I have no doubt that it 
would end up in the same basket with your failure to address the matter of 
whether the red 1 kg mass or the green 1 kg mass would be in front at 
perihelion; whether the Moon would rotate on its axis subsequent to the tragic 
disappearance of its primary at superior conjunction (or indeed at any other 
time); and your pathetic avoidance of the problem of the two cylinders, to wit  
"...I would be able to deduce by virtue of the fact i could know beforehand 
what was really moving before I got in it.."
 
As far as I am concerned -- you can go back to sleep.
 
Paul D






From: "allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008 3:34:45 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation






Your arguments are a joke!..where is the moons majic ruber band ?...for that 
matter where is the moons majic rubber band's point of reference in the 
universe for it's majic ruber band?. The earth..well no ..coz the only 
progresive radial oreintaion that any poin on the moon makes lay in the earth 
....so where is this point of reference you attach your majic ruber band 
too?!.....Hey , fellas.......any absolute RF is a GU postion not AC!?...
 
"As has been mentioned previously by others, it doesn't make a jot of 
difference what you believe, or what others believe -- what matters is what is."
Yea I think i have pointed this out once or twice......
 

What point on the moon can you show a progressive radial orientation to a some 
other point that lay in the moon itself rather then at the earth..........oh 
that’s right ...you can't ...coz it don’t exist in reality!....it only exist in 
your magical world of ridiculous imagination..........Even Regner did not agree 
with you?!







 
I dont think we have to answer your imafinary follishness until you can answer 
a simple question about realilty.........You guys are confusing yourselfs with 
your own logic( lack therofe) and you dont have a proper understanding of what 
rotaion is ...real, reproducable, demonstratable rotaion in the real world not 
majic ruber bands and nonsense!








 
 
 

--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:59 PM







Bernie B








 
Well done -- no equivocation!

I've added to the drawing. There is now a rubber band fitted between two hooks 
on the bottom of the ball and two hooks on a fixed object mounted below the 
centre of the thin, circular metal rod.
 
I now ask you another question. If the ball is propelled around the circle, 
will the rubber band show twisting? Further, will the twisting not be in fact, 
one twist for each and every trip the ball makes around the circle? 
 
In another post this thread -- From philip madsen Mon Nov 24 21:36:28 2008, he 
has presented you with excellent advice. Study it, understand it. It is the 
truth. 
 
In another post this thread -- From Bernie Brauer Mon Nov 24 15:39:38 2008, you 
said -


It actually also works against heliocentrists because
who could believe their synchronized Moon rotation explanation?
The odds are way against that type of order in an exploding universe.
As has been mentioned previously by others, it doesn't make a jot of difference 
what you believe, or what others believe -- what matters is what is. Arguments 
about how many teeth a horse might have is not the way to go. The way to go is 
to go and count them. Well metaphorically speaking, so far as the phenomenon of 
synchronised orbits of moons is concerned, the teeth have been counted. Most of 
the large moons in the solar system have their rotations synchronised with 
their revolutions. Even further, there is one planet which has an orbit where 
the rotation is synchronised with the revolution though it is not 1:1 but 
rather 1.5:1. I'll not spoil your joy of discovery though -- you'll be thrilled 
to discover it for yourself.
 
Paul D






From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 3:19:47 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation






Paul,
 
Yes, that looks like a fair representation.
"All rigid body movements are rotations, translations, or combinations of the 
two."
 
So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but there
is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the rotating firmament. 
 
Bernie 

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:56 PM







Bernie B









 
You said to Philip -- From Bernie Brauer Sat Nov 22 07:58:12 2008

If you go dwon to your local day-care centre ( where toddlers get dropped off 
so mummie can go to work to help daddy pay 66% ALL-TOTAL  taxation ) you will 
see a toy where you can slide a wooden sphere along a circular thin metal 
rod. So the sphere is fixed upon the circular rod and the same point always 
shows inward.
I have attached an illustration of what I think you have described but with the 
small addition of a straight, thin, light, paper tube attached to the wooden 
ball so as to indicate visually that it always points to the centre. The ball 
-- with the indicator -- is shown travelling around the circular rod in a 
clock-wise direction.
 
Is this a fair representation? Please indicate any reservations or arguments 
you may have.
 
Paul D

 






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