[geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation

  • From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:47:15 +1000

But we are HERE not THERE.  Absolutely true, but you could stop mentalising and 
build a model on the kitchen table along the lines of Pauls experiment , before 
you theoretically pontificate.. Why did you ignore the rest of my post from 
Wiki which put to risk your on your claimed view from Wiki?

Bernie if you persist with your error after all this evidence, I have to 
believe you are either just in to stir up dissent, or you are one of those whom 
Jesus warned us to leave alone in case we should be doomed to hell. .. 
"And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. , " 

Allen should take care as well.... "it only exist in your magical world of 
ridiculous imagination..."  Hmmm.. 

Philip. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernie Brauer 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:43 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation


        Philip wrote:
         "...and you should look from above and outside 
        of the earth, not from the earth."

        But we are HERE not THERE.

        "To look out and see other objects in the heavens move does not tell 
you what is absolute motion, or what or whether or not you would and could 
feel/detect those motions if you were there ... and since you are not there ... 
think about that for a while."  Allen Daves

        Bernie


        --- On Mon, 11/24/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

          From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
          To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
          Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 9:36 PM


           
          Bernie do not appeal to heliocentric science for support..  as I show 
below 
          Why assume an extra rotation, when the full translation cycle
          explains what we see - the same face of the Moon.
          The full translation cycle has the same effect as one rotation,
          but it's not called a rotation ( I looked in up in Jewiepedia ).
          It is not an assumption..  and you should look from above and outside 
          of the earth, not from the earth. Rotation is a geometric action 
          which need not involve any material object. Then your pedia is wrong. 
 
          But Wiki is not wrong Bernie .. Here is Wiki's specifications for the 
moon.. 
          You will read it has a synchronous rotation ..  equal to its orbit    
heliocentrically speaking of course. I highlighted it in brown  ...

                Sidereal rotation
                period 27.321 582 d (synchronous) 

          Also from Wiki  I find this line.. which should convince you..  The 
axis of rotation of the moon is not the same as the axis of its orbit...  see 
below.   
          The mean inclination of the lunar orbit to the ecliptic plane is 
5.145°. The rotation axis of the Moon is also not perpendicular to its orbital 
plane, so the lunar equator is not in the plane of its orbit, but is inclined 
to it by a constant value of 6.688° (this is the obliquity). One might be 
tempted to think that as a result of the precession of the Moon's orbit plane, 
the angle between the lunar equator and the ecliptic would vary between the sum 
(11.833°) and difference (1.543°) of these two angles. However, as was 
discovered by Jacques Cassini in 1721, the rotation axis of the Moon precesses 
with the same rate as its orbit plane, but is 180° out of phase (see Cassini's 
Laws). Thus, although the rotation axis of the Moon is not fixed with respect 
to the stars, the angle between the ecliptic and the lunar equator is always 
1.543°.
                Designations 
                Adjective "lunar" 
                Orbital characteristics 
                Perigee 363 104 km  (0.002 4 AU) 
                Apogee 405 696 km  (0.002 7 AU) 
                Semi-major axis 384 399 km  (0.002 57 AU[1]) 
                Eccentricity 0.054 9[1] 
                Orbital period 27.321 582 d  (27 d 7 h 43.1 min[1]) 
                Synodic period 29.530 588 d  (29 d 12 h 44.0 min) 
                Average orbital speed 1.022 km/s 
                Inclination 5.145° to the ecliptic[1]
                (between 18.29° and 28.58° to Earth's equator) 
                Longitude of ascending node regressing by one revolution in 
18.6 years 
                Argument of perigee progressing by one revolution in 8.85 years 
                Satellite of Earth 
                Physical characteristics 
                Mean radius 1 737.10 km  (0.273 Earths)[1] 
                Equatorial radius 1 738.14 km  (0.273 Earths) 
                Polar radius 1 735.97 km  (0.273 Earths) 
                Flattening 0.001 25 
                Circumference 10 921 km (equatorial) 
                Surface area 3.793 × 107 km²  (0.074 Earths) 
                Volume 2.195 8 × 1010 km³  (0.020 Earths) 
                Mass 7.347 7 × 1022 kg  (0.012 3 Earths[1]) 
                Mean density 3 346.4 kg/m³[1] 
                Equatorial surface gravity 1.622 m/s² (0.165 4 g) 
                Escape velocity 2.38 km/s 
                Sidereal rotation
                period 27.321 582 d (synchronous) 
                Equatorial rotation velocity 4.627 m/s 
                Axial tilt 1.542 4° (to ecliptic)
                6.687° (to orbit plane) 
                Albedo 0.12 
                Surface temp.
                   equator
                   85°N[5] min mean max 
                      100 K 220 K 390 K 
                      70 K 130 K 230 K 
               
                Apparent magnitude −2.5 to −12.9[2]
                −12.74 (mean full moon)[3] 
                Angular diameter 29.3 to 34.1 arcminutes[3][4] 


          Why does everything have to rotate? Who said it does..  
          Plus it sure would be quite a coincidence for the moon's rotation to 
be such that
          we always only see one side of the moon, Well coincidence has nothing 
to do with mechanics,,,,,especially
          when the Earth would be rotating also..  and the earth, being 
stationary or spinning like a top, would make no difference to the moons facing 
the earth at all times..  Not a spit of difference. Phil
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Bernie Brauer 
            To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:39 AM
            Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation


                  Philip,

                  Why assume an extra rotation, when the full translation cycle
                  explains what we see - the same face of the Moon.
                  The full translation cycle has the same effect as one 
rotation,
                  but it's not called a rotation ( I looked in up in Jewiepedia 
).

                  Why does everything have to rotate? Plus it sure would be
                  quite a coincidence for the moon's rotation to be such that
                  we always only see one side of the moon, especially
                  when the Earth would be rotating also.

                  It actually also works against heliocentrists because
                  who could believe their synchronized Moon rotation 
explanation?
                  The odds are way against that type of order in an exploding 
universe.

                  Bernie 


                  --- On Mon, 11/24/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

                    From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
                    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                    Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:52 PM


                    So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but there
                    is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the rotating 
firmament. 

                    Bernie 
                    Bernie, look again at Pauls moon and see it orbit..  you 
will see it rotate/  Phil
                      ----- Original Message ----- 
                      From: Bernie Brauer 
                      To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                      Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:19 AM
                      Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation


                            Paul,

                            Yes, that looks like a fair representation.
                            "All rigid body movements are rotations, 
translations, or combinations of the two."

                            So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but 
there
                            is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the 
rotating firmament. 

                            Bernie 

                            --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Paul Deema 
<paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

                              From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
                              Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
                              To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                              Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:56 PM


                              Bernie B


                              You said to Philip -- From Bernie Brauer Sat Nov 
22 07:58:12 2008
                                If you go dwon to your local day-care centre ( 
where toddlers get dropped off so mummie can go to work to help daddy pay 66% 
ALL-TOTAL  taxation ) you will see a toy where you can slide a wooden sphere 
along a circular thin metal rod. So the sphere is fixed upon the circular rod 
and the same point always shows inward.
                              I have attached an illustration of what I think 
you have described but with the small addition of a straight, thin, light, 
paper tube attached to the wooden ball so as to indicate visually that it 
always points to the centre. The ball -- with the indicator -- is shown 
travelling around the circular rod in a clock-wise direction.

                              Is this a fair representation? Please indicate 
any reservations or arguments you may have.

                              Paul D

                               




--------------------------------------------------

                              Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia 
TV. Enter Now. 
                           

                 

       

Other related posts: