Thank you very much, Steven. You are actually the first person in this forum, to make this list of five points - although it is posted under a different thread. A have a few clarifying questions about your points, just to make sure I understand them correctly (no judgement, interpretation or prejudice is intended with these questions): ad 1) What is the failure you refer to? ad 2) What is the behaviour you refer to? ad 3) What about the van Allan belts prove a geocentric Solar system? Thank you kindly for following the rules of this discussion. Regards, Regner - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quoting Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > Phillip Madsen wrote: (Bernie Brauer in red) > > > > Anyone who states this as evidence, > We know we see the sun, > moon, and stars go around the earth daily ....... is speaking with the > simplicity of a child who has > never experienced the illusion caused by two trains side by side in a > railway station when one begins to move. > > > My reply: > > > > The simpler model is the more likely, after all, no motion is > perceived by any of us standing on the Earth, a simple, often > overlooked and highly important point and one in favour of geocentrism. > Heliocentrism is the model that is flawed, it promotes concepts that > are much more complex to grasp than simply "seeing" "...and their > ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; ..." (Mat > 13:15 eclectic). Heliocentrism put simply, is a model comparable to > a model of a person driving a car where the passangers are taught that > what they see (the trees going by the window etcetera) is actually > caused by the Earth moving underneath, contrary to all known-senses. > > > > Phillip Madsen > wrote: > > > > What we see is the sun traversing the sky.. > We do not see it circling the earth. The earth from what we see, might > as well be flat..... > > > > My reply: > > > > Not so, when your up in the Himalaias or the Inca mountains, you can > see the curvature of the horizon. A number of scientific experiments > have been conducted in which have proved the spherical nature of the > Earth, whereas many would agree (including Einstein) that you cannot > prove geocentrism over heliocentrism or vice-versa. However, the nature > of the sign (mathmatical tool used in this instance for determining > whether the Earth is concave or convex) is in question regarding the > spherical shape of the Earth, but that is too deep a discussion to be > mentioned here. > > > > Five scientific points in favour of geocentrism: > > > > 1. Michelson-Morley experiment failure > > 2. How pendulum's behave down mine-shafts > > 3. The van Allan radiation belts > > 4. No centre buldge on the Earth, as would be created in the early > rapidly spinning molten Earth "theory". The centre bulge of Jupiter is > clearly seen. > > 5. It predicts time and again successful spacecraft launches, sorry, > but NASA (disclaimer: I don't like them) even say themselves that they > use Earth as the centre of the reference frame. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Steven. > > > > > > > >