[geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:29:40 +1000
Marc I admit of some error here, and you also to a degree, but I do not think
it appropriate to expand this subject on this forum, else we end up writing the
whole catechism of Trent. LOL.
If there is a physical defect, it cannot be called evil. I say that human
babies like animals can have no tendencies that could be judged evil until
those tendencies in the human, evolved into a wilful evil action. The child
bares no responsibility for his parents, or for the actions of Adam and Eve.
Eve and Adam are alone responsible for the babies fallen state, the body being
a reflection of the stained soul, and this occurs because of a decree (curse if
you like) by God Himself. And because Eve was the first cause co-operating
with Satan, all women copped a real physical disability, once again by decree.
This is what makes the mystery of redemption so much the more amazing, in that
it is a woman, a new Eve restored with the purity of the original, who rejects
sin, and is the first cause co-operating with the Holy Ghost, in redeeming all
of humanity. This is so amazing and unimaginable to the human mind, that I
wonder at thinking of it today for the first time myself. I guess that is what
Robert B meant when he talks about the symbolism hidden behind the narrative of
the Bible..
Philip.
"restored with the purity of the original" = Immaculate conception. = no
stain of original sin.
15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed:
she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
16 To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions.
In sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy
husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee.
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Philip,
What I meant is that all babies are born with bad tendencies transmitted from
generation to generation: from Adam and Eve (original sin) and I believe also
that they inherit bad tendencies from generations after Adam and Eve; they have
the power to choose not to follow these tendencies. I consider these bad
tendencies evil in some way.
By the way, when we deal with supernatural, we are dealing with God, so there
is no such thing as a «supernatural stain» (sic) Original sin, according to the
Council of Trent, is a stain in body and soul and it is transmitted through
(natural) generation.
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 16 juillet 2007 00:36
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
No doubt about that Marc.. There must be millions and millions of them
born Muslim, and Hindu, and even Jew. from birth till death, no chance of ever
becoming good.
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but youse are not getting the principle in the right focus.. Original sin,
does not make the baby evil. It is a supernatural stain on the soul, which
being an imperfection, bars one from heaven; which the flesh can have redeemed
by the blood of christ through baptism. If the baby dies un redeemed, it is not
condemned, but goes to limbo..a pretty nice place... and who knows what happens
after that.
rumour has it that Enoch and Elias are there teaching them and they grow
and are tested just like us....Like I said,, who knows..its not cut and dried,
thats why its callled limbo.. Some say it is Eden.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Dr Neville,
Observations of babies born at the hospital by a team of researcher from
the University of Montreal (Canada) a few years back have proven that Jean
Jacques Rousseau was wrong (he claimed that all men where born good and were
corrupted by society). Some of the babies are hurting their fellow babies for
no reason. They were not corrupted by society. They are born with evil inside
of them.
Marc V
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 15 juillet 2007 10:14
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Dear Jack,
There is nothing naughty about a new-born baby. It has no conception of
right and wrong. It is not born with "sin" in it, but rather with the
propensity to develop a good side and a bad side. We teach it bad things as it
grows.
But as for the bible, if I am quoting things that occur in your bible,
then surely you accept them, right? After all, it is not me that is the author
of them. The fact that I reject large chunks that you adhere to is irrelevant
in your acceptance of those things that I do hold are truthful and genuine.
Surely you should be pleased that I have not thrown the whole book in the bin?
Surely, in your opinion, that holds out some ray of hope for me?
The point in this discussion was the tribal information contained in
the Hebrew scriptures. Where do you get the idea from that you cannot quote to
me passages that you accept as true? If you feel that I might present an
argument against what you hold to be true, that is a different ball game.
Just like the evolutionists, however, if your position is strong then
it will stand up to criticism. If it is not, then it will collapse. No one is
stopping you quoting bits of "your" bible, a book whose content was decided
upon by a church that you have rejected.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:37:59 +0100
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
Dear Neville, you keep speaking of the Bible, but your Bible does not
appear to be the same one that mainstream Christianity use. Unless there is
agreement on what the Bible is then nobody, in conversation with you, can use
quotes from the 'Bible'. My Bible says that we are all born in sin. You do not
have to teach children to be naughty, you have to teach them to be good.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@freelistsorg
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Malleus Maleficarum
"Are there 'Bloodlines' of good and evil people?"
This is a good question. There are definitely bloodlines, doesn't
the bible speak of tribes and are not those tribes assumed to have certain
characteristics?
And does not history teach us that certain tribes have been
consistently evil? I think that it does, even though those same wicked people
try to distort and rewrite history to paint themselves as being persecuted.
And are not the goyim caught in exactly the same traps that they
have always been caught in? Me thinks that they are.
Although most people are neither good nor evil, I tend to support
the view that some people are intrinsically evil. Not a product of their
environment or upbringing, but of their father ... you know who.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
"But they are all doing the beckoning of the Devil's offspring..."
Are there "Bloodlines" of good and evil people?
Bernie
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