[geocentrism] Re: KJB v. NKJB
- From: "Cheryl" <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:38:19 -0500
To all who doubt KJB or that Jesus is God the Creator-- KJB is the ONLY
Bible that says Jesus (the Word) is the Creator. So either KJB is right and
all the others are wrong or all the others are right and KJB is wrong.
There can only be one Bible that's right. Unless you believe they are ALL
wrong -- (which seems to be the consensus of people who have expressed their
opinion on this forum, that ALL the bibles are wrong and only the so-called
"originals" are correct.
Please consider these scriptures in John.
John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made
BY him; and without him was not ANYTHING made that was made. In him was
LIFE; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not. ... He was in the world, and the world
was made BY him, and the world knew him (Jesus) not. He came unto his own
(the Jews), and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to
them gave he power to BECOME the sons of God, even to them that BELIEVE on
his name; Which were born, not of blood, nor of he will of the flesh, nor of
the will of man, but of God (i.e. by the Word). And the Word was made
flesh, and dwelt amont us, (and we beheld his glory, the flory as of the
only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: KJB v. NKJB
> Cheryl,
>
> I am forced to step in, because these tirades are getting out of hand.
>
> Is everything listed down for our instruction in the King James Bible?
> Every t crossed, every i dotted? Is everything that could possibly, ever
> happen in our lives listed there, together with detailed instruction of
> what to do in each circumstance? If so, then why did the disciples require
> the Holy Spirit? Why do we need a teacher (Christ)?
>
> You cannot go about with such destructive criticism of all and sundry,
> just because they do not see things in two-tone black and white, as you
> do.
>
> Please contemplate the following verse from the King James Bible:
>
> (1 Pet 3:4 KJV) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which
> is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is
> in the sight of God of great price.
>
> Yours in Christ (I assure you, even though I do not regard the KJ as
> infallible),
>
> Neville.
>
> Bob Davidson <Jesus4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> 1) I really hate it when people put words in my mouth to suit their
> agenda.
> I NEVER said the KJV is "the most accurate". I used the terms "arguably"
> and "possibly", trying to be generous to you.
> 2) You completely ignore what the translators themselves had to say. They
> tell us they were not inspired and that their work would eventually have
> to
> be updated, but you ignore that.
> 3) The translators of the KJV translated and incorporated the Apocrypha as
> the Holy Word of God. Either it is inspired or the translators made an
> enormous error.
> 4) The NKJV does not "just get rid of the 'thees and thous' and change[s]
> a
> word here or there". I conclude that you never bothered to read what its
> translators had to say, either.
> 5) I suppose if God were to speak to you in the original Greek and Hebrew,
> unless you are fluent in those languages, you would likewise conclude that
> He was speaking in a "forgettable, vague, and just kind of ugly sounding
> and
> tacky manner" since you would have no clue what He was saying unless He
> spoke in old English.
> 7) Now I see that someone resents the way that I occasionally sign off as
> I
> indicate my love for God. That is petty and ungodly.
> 8) You are now an authority on the NKJV, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and
> apparently all other manuscripts and translations? What are your
> credentials?
> 9) So I have to conclude that you, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe
> that the Holy Spirit is an "it" instead of a "He". The Greek word
> translated "itself" in the KJV is 'ow-tos', which is an article or pronoun
> translated depending on the context of its use. If we are talking about
> the
> Person of God, it is properly translated as "Him". [Someone who knows
> Greek, please chime in].
> 10) God is the Creator. The Divinity of Jesus is God but the humanity
> (flesh) of Jesus is not. If the whole person of Jesus were God, He could
> not have died on the cross. To say that the World was made "through" Jesus
> and not "by" Jesus is the most accurate way to express those facts. It is
> not a "HUGE difference". It more accurately reflects where the Creative
> power is derived from - God from eternity past. The body of Jesus did not
> exist until 2000 years ago. His body had nothing to do with Creation. In
> fact, it is part of the Creation. To say that the World was made "by"
> Jesus
> is to imply wrongly that His entire being, including his humanity made
> from
> DNA, had the power to create ex nihilo and that His body also existed as
> God
> from eternity past.
> 11) It is rather convenient that you can pardon the Bibles leading up to
> the
> KJV as good and useful, despite the fact that they were full of errors -
> some very gross - but any translations after KJV are of the devil.
> 12) God's Word is pure and will outlast the Heaven's and the earth. As I
> said before, the original manuscripts in the original languages were
> God-breathed, perfect and inerrant. If you think that those languages can
> be translated to the uttermost perfection into another language, you are
> badly mistaken. Words, phrases, idioms, parts of speech, etc., CANNOT be
> translated perfectly between such languages. If you had even a rudimentary
> understanding of those languages you would already know that.
>
> What I find depressing here are your baseless - and uninformed -
> arguments.
>
> In His Service,
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cheryl
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:20 AM
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [geocentrism] KJB v. NKJB
>
> Bob -- You say (below) that the KJB is the most accurate, yet you quote
> from
> the New (and improved) KJV (per)version. The NKJV is the version that
> supposedly just gets rid of the "thees and thous" and changes a word here
> and there. There was absolutely no resemblance to what you quoted as
> "Scripture" to the verse it replaces in KJB. As I said, your version
> sounds like it was written by a Health and Human Services government
> beurocrat and it is offensive and laughable to think God would ever speak
> in
> that manner -- specifically in such a forgettable, vague, and just kind of
> ugly-sounding and tacky manner.
>
> And you yourself claim no inspiration to your NKJV. You say KJB is full of
> errors but that your own so-called bible is full of even more; yet you
> claim
> to represent God "in his Service" as you sign off, but you come on with
> your defective, untrustworthy, plastic sword of the spirit to do battle.
> If I had as little faith in my Bible as you have in yours, I would throw
> in
> the towel and quit. And even admitting KJB is more accurate, you still
> quote from that awful NKJV.
>
> As to the verses you quote in Romans 8:16 and 26 referring to the Holy
> Spirit as itself instead of Himself, in verse 27 the Spirit is referred to
> as "he." I've never one time ever seen one single verse in KJB that I
> thought should be changed. I believe the word "itself" is there because
> it is the best word and needs to be there and because God WANTS it there.
> When I see a word in my KJB I take it seriously as God's Word. I don't
> second-guess it and presume to reword or rewrite it, go looking around
> from
> version to version until I find the one I like best that suits me.
>
> You talk about the JWs. The NKJV is doctrinally in line with them. Why?
> Because it strips Jesus of His divinity as Creator. In all verses which
> refer to Jesus as Creator, the KJV says the World was made BY Jesus. But
> your (per)version (and ALL the others as well) says the world was made
> THROUGH Jesus. Big difference. HUGE difference in a major, foundational,
> crucial doctrine on the divinity of Jesus. Is Jesus the Creator of the
> Universe or isn't He? Not ONE SINGLE OTHER (per)VERSION SAYS JESUS IS THE
> CREATOR. NOT ONE. And that includes YOUR (per)version, regardless of its
> claims to having been translated from the correct manuscripts (it wasn't)
> and that it just makes a few changes in the thees and thous.
>
> The NKJV doesn't use the Textus Receptus but rather the Majority Text
> manuscripts. It is essentially a Catholic bible.
>
> As to all your questions of why did God do this and that, not produce a
> Bible for everyone immediately (meaning I suppose within 100 years) -- I
> don't know the answer to that question, but God does, as to why He chose
> the
> timing to make His appearance on earth 1500 years before the invention of
> the printing press. As to the Geneva Bible, the Bishops Bible, William
> Tyndale's Bible (for which Tyndale was martyred) -- these were good
> Bibles,
> not perfect or complete, but nonetheless good and proper Bibles that the
> KJV
> translators held in great respect and incorporated into their own
> translation-- in Tyndale's case almost all his translation was put in
> intact. God's Word culminated with KJB, perfect and complete. All
> versions after KJB are perversions written by occultists and people with
> agendas, were written without annointing and to the detriment of and in
> opposition to God's own Word. As Gail Riplinger states, these are New Age
> Bible Versions that are heading to the final (per)version that will be so
> generic that every religion on earth will be able to find their own
> "truths" in it. And it's not true that there were many revisions and
> thousands of changes made to KJB. All changes involved formatting and
> fixing typos, not changing the translation at all, and my own KJV has
> typos
> in it here and there.
>
> The Apocrypha? I already discussed KJV and the Apocrypha and I'll repost
> it. But the Apocrypha is not inspired Scripture. Whether the King James
> translators had a hand in translating it or not is irrelevant. I see
> nothing wrong with the Apocrypha being translated. That it was included
> and
> later dropped from inclusion in the KJV does not change the translation in
> any way, the preservation of God's Word. It is just part of the
> culmination into the perfection and completion of God's Word by God's
> providence and preservation of His Word..
>
> God is able to preserve His Word and Scripture itself says that he HAS
> preserved it. I challenge you to show me one place in KJV where there is
> error.
>
> There are places on this earth now where people do not have a Bible. There
> are also places on this earth where there are more Bibles than there are
> people, but people don't read it, don't memorize it, don't appreciate it,
> don't believe in it, say it needs a lot of fixing, and where people feel
> free to rewrite it or paraphrase it themselves with the use of their Greek
> dictionaries. It's likely that the first 1500 years when all people such
> as the Waldenses and Albigenses and other Christians had were hand-copied
> manuscripts it's likely these people appreciated and believed in Scripture
> more than people do today. The point is, the Bible says in Psalm 119 that
> God's Word is very pure, and Jesus said Heaven and Earth would pass away
> but
> His Word would never pass away.
>
> I'm not finished but I'll quit for now. It breaks my heart to see people
> cutting their spiritual legs out from under themselves, attacking God's
> Word, trying to fight Satan with a plastic sword, self-confessed phony
> bibles full of errors. I thought when I came to a geocentric forum I'd
> find
> some KJB people here because the vast majority of geocentrists are KJB
> people. Instead, all I find are doubters, lost wanderers with no authority
> to stand on, throwing stones against the Bible. It's quite depressing
> actually, that and the starving of Terri Shindler just before Easter.
>
> Cheryl
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>
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