Try this... my "hail mary"................ 3 diagrams 1 is "what it is not based on"...... and 2 are "what it is"....? Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----Original Message----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Regardless of what size they would be "proportionally" around that axis , [earth's orbit] they should at least exist ) The rotation around that annual axis is the exact same kind of rotaion with the exact same view opportunity with the exact same stars with the same observer, camera..etc..... I cant understand why this is so hard.........Nevile, there is much work to be done.....i think we need a HC/AC sim in maya or somthing...? Allen, You are correct, but I can't think of a way that I can make the video clearer. All, This is it. We have it. Heliocentrism is disproven. The Emperor has been shown to be starkers. I'll tell you what you should do: Pray. Pray that your eyes be opened to the beauty of this really simple disproof. After doing this, contemplate a tennis ball. Rotate the tennis ball about an axis. Rotate the tennis ball about another axis, more slowly. If the stars are fixed and you are on the tennis ball, would you see the exact same sort of thing in either instance? If you then answer "yes, I would" to this question, then you have seen that the heliocentric model is fundamentally incorrect, as any elementary school project could verify. Why? Because the heliocentric model predicts that these views are essentially the same, but observation tells us that there are not two such views, but only one. Neville.