Paul D, "Thanks for the effort but I'm afraid that while I usually manage to get some idea of what you are talking about, this time I truly have absolutely no idea at all." 1. If there were motion around the annual axis there would most cirtainly be circular star trails around that 90o annual axis...even if you took exposures on 23 h 56 min intervals.............but there are none, thus no motion. 2. IF and only if you took photo exposures at 24 hour intervals rathen then 23 h 56 min could you even begin to to produce anything. What you would produce is not cricles and could not be asribed to any annual motion They would be A. The wrong size ( smaller then the nightly trails) B. Wrong shape of the elipse far more exagerated then the ~3 % out of round that the earths supposed orbit of the sun. whats not to understand?.. Allen D Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Thanks for the effort but I'm afraid that while I usually manage to get some idea of what you are talking about, this time I truly have absolutely no idea at all. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 29 October, 2007 4:08:58 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is Geocentrism supported by facts? (Suplementary) Wrong, You missed it again. Even if, and only If, exposures were taken on 24 hours intervals rather then 23h 56 min then and only then would you see elipses but not circles. this would not help your cause...why?..... they are 1. The wrong size ( smaller then the nightly trails) 2 Wrong shape of the elipse far more exagerated then the ~3 % out of round that the earths supposed orbit of the sun. the effects can be isolated from each other completly.... See two attached drawings ......... Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Greetings all. There was just no way it was going to get by without at least one error and I've found two. In the following paragraph near the end of the original post, the number of poles overwhelmed me. The error is greyed out, the correction is in bold. At the end of the year, we can remove the camera and process the film. At that time, there will be evident many concentric circular star trails each consisting of 365 dots and centred on the North Celestial Pole North Ecliptic Pole. Actually, it wouldn't really be necessary to wait the full year -- the trend will already be evident (and the image will be less 'busy') by the end of a week or two. Also, of less importance perhaps, a paragraph break got lost in the shift from drafting to post. "Now for the interesting bit." should begin a new paragraph. Paul D --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now. --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now.