Phil, The fundimental issue and point to the discussion & comments on van allen is on the danger, not sources or kinds.....Will it kill you to pass through it or not? 1. Some of Cosmic radiation energy does get trapped in the earth's magnetic field and radiation belt, for sure it does travel in the belt.... and does have a “not so good” affect on humans....as per Neville’s example...so the kind of radiation that is going to contribute to your death is ..well ..not so much the point as whether or not it will kill you period...... 2. In any case, it is the radiation intensity at the belts location regardless of where the sources of the radiation are coming from ...which must include all sources of radiation at that location regardless if it is a internal or external source of radiation...I did not say cosmic rays were sourced in the van allen belt ...I said...".in part the very radiation who's intensity at and through the belt is the very question" ....... Will the aggregate radiation at the belt cause you .... "to be or not to be".......That is the question? Allen --- On Tue, 11/11/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 12:29 PM Please explain Allen.. As far as I know Cosmic rays are not sourced in the Van allen belts, but are a different radiation to those we are discussing.. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:22 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Indian satellite Particularly, since the "ubiquitous" cosmic rays are in part the very radiation, who's intensity at and through the belt is the very question under consideration..:-D --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:46 AM Paul, And your point? Cosmic rays cause damage to electronic circuitry, so why did they not do any damage aboard Apollo? And we are exposed to cosmic rays here on terra firma, but I, for one, do not register flashes in my eyes. Either way, dismissing the core argument with, 'ah, they're just cosmic rays' skirts the issue. Neville www.realityreviewed.com -----Original Message----- From: paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:41:46 +0000 (GMT) To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite Neville J Space vehicle crews have been reporting these 'flashes in their eyes' for quite a while. My most recent recollection of this phenomenon suggests that cosmic rays are thought to be the cause. And of course cosmic rays are ubiquitous. Paul D From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 10 November, 2008 11:30:25 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Indian satellite Before Apollo, Dr. Van Allen was saying that a manned mission to the Moon was impossible, because of the radiation belts that are named after him. After Apollo, he changed his opinion and admitted being 'wrong'. This reversal is to be commended in an honest, truth-seeking scientist. However, his change of opinion was brought about by his belief that NASA would not lie about their 'achievements'. The only new 'evidence' that he had to base his new opinion on was the word of NASA and the ex-military men who were being recruited by NASA to be astronauts. Again, this is quite normal human behaviour - we each have an in-built tendency to believe that people would not lie to us. Having said all that, you must realize, Paul, that Dr. Van Allen's change of opinion, as reported by Wikidpedia, etc., does not prove anything scientifically. Of far greater weight is the evidence of the Space Shuttle crew who stated that, at an altitude of 350 miles, they had strong flashes in their eyes, even with their lids closed. Neville www.realityreviewed.com Free 3D Marine Aquarium Screensaver Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at www.inbox.com/marineaquarium