[geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.

  • From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:04:36 -0600

Cheryl,

Mr. Elmendorf is getting along in years.  I'm not sure how old.  But he
doesn't computer.  He's an engineer by profession but he's old school, I
guess one would say.

I wasn't aware of what Googling his name would result.  You need to do the
advanced search after the initial name of Richard Elmendorf.  Add the word
"geocentrism" and you will get a better group of sites.

Here is the link that you come up with when you do that:

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Richard+Elmendorf&num=10&hl=en&client=lgtech-ws&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=geocentrism&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

Interestingly, a couple of times my own name came up.  Once for this
Freelist when I made an earlier post here about Mr. E. and another on Bad
Astronomy when I brought his name up.  I did not know that all of these
posts are universally accessible like that.

Live and learn,

Gary Shelton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:41 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.


> Gary -- When I punch Richard Elmendorf into Google I get a man in
Wisconsin
> with some business, nothing about any geocentrism.  Does he have a
website?
> Cheryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:48 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
>
>
> > Cheryl,
> >
> > Lord knows I'm not an expert but I will contribute this much.  I don't
> know
> > of anybody who believes the strict "geocentric" definition as put
forward
> by
> > Dr. Jones.  That is the one where the earth is spinning, and the sun
> > revolves around the earth counter-clockwise, but obviously not as fast,
in
> > the angular velocity factor, as the earth is turning.  So this option
you
> > can just ignore, IMHO.   Your Bad Astronomers are "heliocentrists" (or
> > "acentrists" if you prefer) and would say the earth rotates and revolves
> > around the sun just as do the other planets we can observe.
> >
> > We "geostatists" naturally feel that the Bible correctly states the
truth
> > when it says the earth is immovable.  What this means is simply that the
> > earth is indeed perfectly still in the most "preferred frame of
reference"
> > (to borrow the Einsteinian lingo) and that the sun, moon, stars, and
> > everything else we see in the heavens is revolving daily around the
earth
> in
> > a clockwise direction (for the most part), just as they appear to be
doing
> > to us here on earth.
> >
> > Biblically, the earth is a special place because it is mentioned
directly
> in
> > Genesis 1:1.  You will note there that God didn't tell us "In the
> beginning
> > God created the heaven and Halley's Comet."  Or "Jupiter", or "Mars",
> > "Venus", or even "the sun".  He told us "the heaven and the earth".  So
in
> > my mind that puts us in a special place right off the bat.  Also,
Genesis
> > 1:14-17 speak of the reasons all of the heavenly bodies were created.
> Those
> > would be, you may remember, for "signs, seasons, days, years, and to
give
> > light upon the earth".  I've said this a few times before on this forum
> but
> > it is perfectly clear that all of those reasons are reasons FOR THE
EARTH.
> > So that, logically, if the earth were not here, then neither would all
the
> > heavenly bodies.  As I said, it is a most "preferred frame of
> reference"....
> > And that is what gets us in trouble with all the acentric atheistic
> > Einsteinians.  Because, of course, they would say there can be no such
> thing
> > in reality.  All places, when looking out from that place, will appear
to
> > each be in the CENTER OF ALL; it's the cosmological principle.
> >
> > If you are following the geostatic view, then you understand that
> everything
> > revolves around the earth clockwise daily, including the sun and moon.
> Your
> > question about the 28 days concerns the moon's revolution about the
earth
> in
> > the h-system.  Keep in mind the h-view of the moon has it orbiting the
> earth
> > counter-cwise in around the 28 days.  This speed is essential to
> accurately
> > account for the observed phases of the moon that we see on earth.
> >
> > Our view of the moon is that it orbits clockwise daily and that the
moon's
> > phases are explained by the difference in angular velocity between the
> > slower moon and the faster sun, which both are orbiting the earth
> clockwise
> > daily.  As for the sun the h-view has the earth orbiting it in 365 days
> with
> > a tilted axis to explain the seasons.  The geostatic view has the
untilted
> > earth being orbited by the sun in what Richard Elmendorf described as a
> > "double helix" pattern.  This also explains the seasons.
> >
> > Remember again, that if you are on the moon watching the earth, you are
> > moving as well as the earth you are watching, and in the final analysis,
> you
> > can't say whether it is you or the object of your eye (the earth) is
> moving.
> > Sounds rather Zen-like, doesn't it?
> >
> > I hope that is of help.  I'm no expert so take everything I say with a
> grain
> > of salt always. The truth comes with repeated dives into the field of
> > knowledge, not just one quick dip.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Gary Shelton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> >
> >
> > > I see the part about everything revolving around the earth once a day.
> I
> > > still don't see where the 28 days of the moon, and the other orbits of
> the
> > > planets, the 365 days per the sun come in.
> > >
> > > I've been hopping around the net looking for those answers and haven't
> > found
> > > them yet.  Is there a simple answer to this question?
> > >
> > > I read Dr. Jones' landing on the moon essay over again, and seemed to
> get
> > > more out of it this time than before, and it is so fascinating.  But I
> > don't
> > > claim to understand all of it.
> > >
> > > I am only of average intelligence when it comes to math.  Physics was
> > > something I flunked in high school.  My forte is politics and
religion.
> > >
> > > Cheryl
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheryl,
> > > >
> > > > I think one thought that might assist you is to understand that if
you
> > are
> > > > on the moon watching the earth, you are not at a standstill.  You,
> too,
> > > are
> > > > moving.  You would not be able to say with absolute certainty
whether
> it
> > > was
> > > > the earth turning (heliocentrist) that you were watching or the
moon's
> > > > clockwise motion about the earth (geostatist).
> > > >
> > > > This is why it is often said that the only way to prove the issue is
> to
> > > step
> > > > outside of the universe and look down onto things.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Gary Shelton
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:42 PM
> > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks.  Could you explain the geocentrist model to me as simply
as
> > > > > possible?  Is it as simple as that the earth is not moving and
> > > everything
> > > > is
> > > > > going around us once every 24 hours?  So that means the astronauts
> on
> > > the
> > > > > moon would see what appears to be a revolving earth, going around
> once
> > > in
> > > > 24
> > > > > hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > So where does the 28 days come in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheryl
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cheryl,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need a good dose of Bad Astronomy.  The folks there will
> gladly
> > > > > clarify
> > > > > > any relative motion questions you have.  But I suggest you
browse
> > > > through
> > > > > a
> > > > > > couple of topics that I participated in last year.  You will
> notice
> > I
> > > > > > thought like yourself in the beginning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The first is a topic that I actually started, unbelievable as
that
> > > seems
> > > > > to
> > > > > > me now....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Relative Motion Falls Apart When applied to Planes"
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16726&postdays=0&postorder
> > > > > =asc&start=0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next is a topic begun by a devout acentrist athiest named
> > > Maksutov.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Thinking about geocentrism"
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=350240&highlight=#350240
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did not agree with these people but I could not counter their
> > > superior
> > > > > > academic arguments.  Still, it was interesting taking the battle
> to
> > > > "their
> > > > > > turf".  I personally believe that they made some good points and
> we
> > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > be able to answer all of them, just as the creationists have a
> > counter
> > > > to
> > > > > > every single evolution premise put forward.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gary Shelton
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:31 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A friend told me the whole moon landing thing was staged in
Las
> > > Vegas,
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > the film crew all had untimely deaths later, and they were
> > pacified
> > > > with
> > > > > > > hookers and parties during hte shoot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they did go to the moon I'd like to know why not one single
> > > > astronaut
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > commented about observing the earth turning.  I realize that
it
> > > takes
> > > > 12
> > > > > > > hours for one side of the earth to completely move around, but
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > > still be apparent to anyone looking that the earth was
turning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you went to the moon and believed the earth was turning,
> > wouldn't
> > > > you
> > > > > > > want to brag about having seen it with your own two eyes?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheryl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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