[geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.

  • From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:22:11 +1000

Gary. You outdone yourself and me.. I could not have explained it so well . How 
come you wasted time talking about atmospheric waves winds and things... I'm 
going to look at all of your post again. Maybe I'll steal it for reuse... 
Phil.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Shelton 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:48 PM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.


  Cheryl,

  Lord knows I'm not an expert but I will contribute this much.  I don't know
  of anybody who believes the strict "geocentric" definition as put forward by
  Dr. Jones.  That is the one where the earth is spinning, and the sun
  revolves around the earth counter-clockwise, but obviously not as fast, in
  the angular velocity factor, as the earth is turning.  So this option you
  can just ignore, IMHO.   Your Bad Astronomers are "heliocentrists" (or
  "acentrists" if you prefer) and would say the earth rotates and revolves
  around the sun just as do the other planets we can observe.

  We "geostatists" naturally feel that the Bible correctly states the truth
  when it says the earth is immovable.  What this means is simply that the
  earth is indeed perfectly still in the most "preferred frame of reference"
  (to borrow the Einsteinian lingo) and that the sun, moon, stars, and
  everything else we see in the heavens is revolving daily around the earth in
  a clockwise direction (for the most part), just as they appear to be doing
  to us here on earth.

  Biblically, the earth is a special place because it is mentioned directly in
  Genesis 1:1.  You will note there that God didn't tell us "In the beginning
  God created the heaven and Halley's Comet."  Or "Jupiter", or "Mars",
  "Venus", or even "the sun".  He told us "the heaven and the earth".  So in
  my mind that puts us in a special place right off the bat.  Also, Genesis
  1:14-17 speak of the reasons all of the heavenly bodies were created.  Those
  would be, you may remember, for "signs, seasons, days, years, and to give
  light upon the earth".  I've said this a few times before on this forum but
  it is perfectly clear that all of those reasons are reasons FOR THE EARTH.
  So that, logically, if the earth were not here, then neither would all the
  heavenly bodies.  As I said, it is a most "preferred frame of reference"....
  And that is what gets us in trouble with all the acentric atheistic
  Einsteinians.  Because, of course, they would say there can be no such thing
  in reality.  All places, when looking out from that place, will appear to
  each be in the CENTER OF ALL; it's the cosmological principle.

  If you are following the geostatic view, then you understand that everything
  revolves around the earth clockwise daily, including the sun and moon.  Your
  question about the 28 days concerns the moon's revolution about the earth in
  the h-system.  Keep in mind the h-view of the moon has it orbiting the earth
  counter-cwise in around the 28 days.  This speed is essential to accurately
  account for the observed phases of the moon that we see on earth.

  Our view of the moon is that it orbits clockwise daily and that the moon's
  phases are explained by the difference in angular velocity between the
  slower moon and the faster sun, which both are orbiting the earth clockwise
  daily.  As for the sun the h-view has the earth orbiting it in 365 days with
  a tilted axis to explain the seasons.  The geostatic view has the untilted
  earth being orbited by the sun in what Richard Elmendorf described as a
  "double helix" pattern.  This also explains the seasons.

  Remember again, that if you are on the moon watching the earth, you are
  moving as well as the earth you are watching, and in the final analysis, you
  can't say whether it is you or the object of your eye (the earth) is moving.
  Sounds rather Zen-like, doesn't it?

  I hope that is of help.  I'm no expert so take everything I say with a grain
  of salt always. The truth comes with repeated dives into the field of
  knowledge, not just one quick dip.

  Sincerely,

  Gary Shelton

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.


  > I see the part about everything revolving around the earth once a day.  I
  > still don't see where the 28 days of the moon, and the other orbits of the
  > planets, the 365 days per the sun come in.
  >
  > I've been hopping around the net looking for those answers and haven't
  found
  > them yet.  Is there a simple answer to this question?
  >
  > I read Dr. Jones' landing on the moon essay over again, and seemed to get
  > more out of it this time than before, and it is so fascinating.  But I
  don't
  > claim to understand all of it.
  >
  > I am only of average intelligence when it comes to math.  Physics was
  > something I flunked in high school.  My forte is politics and religion.
  >
  > Cheryl
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:13 PM
  > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
  >
  >
  > > Cheryl,
  > >
  > > I think one thought that might assist you is to understand that if you
  are
  > > on the moon watching the earth, you are not at a standstill.  You, too,
  > are
  > > moving.  You would not be able to say with absolute certainty whether it
  > was
  > > the earth turning (heliocentrist) that you were watching or the moon's
  > > clockwise motion about the earth (geostatist).
  > >
  > > This is why it is often said that the only way to prove the issue is to
  > step
  > > outside of the universe and look down onto things.
  > >
  > > Sincerely,
  > >
  > > Gary Shelton
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:42 PM
  > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
  > >
  > >
  > > > Thanks.  Could you explain the geocentrist model to me as simply as
  > > > possible?  Is it as simple as that the earth is not moving and
  > everything
  > > is
  > > > going around us once every 24 hours?  So that means the astronauts on
  > the
  > > > moon would see what appears to be a revolving earth, going around once
  > in
  > > 24
  > > > hours.
  > > >
  > > > So where does the 28 days come in?
  > > >
  > > > Cheryl
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:30 PM
  > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > Cheryl,
  > > > >
  > > > > You need a good dose of Bad Astronomy.  The folks there will gladly
  > > > clarify
  > > > > any relative motion questions you have.  But I suggest you browse
  > > through
  > > > a
  > > > > couple of topics that I participated in last year.  You will notice
  I
  > > > > thought like yourself in the beginning.
  > > > >
  > > > > The first is a topic that I actually started, unbelievable as that
  > seems
  > > > to
  > > > > me now....
  > > > >
  > > > > "Relative Motion Falls Apart When applied to Planes"
  > > > >
  > > >
  > >
  >
  http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16726&postdays=0&postorder
  > > > =asc&start=0
  > > > >
  > > > > The next is a topic begun by a devout acentrist athiest named
  > Maksutov.
  > > > >
  > > > > "Thinking about geocentrism"
  > > > >
  > >
  http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=350240&highlight=#350240
  > > > >
  > > > > I did not agree with these people but I could not counter their
  > superior
  > > > > academic arguments.  Still, it was interesting taking the battle to
  > > "their
  > > > > turf".  I personally believe that they made some good points and we
  > need
  > > > to
  > > > > be able to answer all of them, just as the creationists have a
  counter
  > > to
  > > > > every single evolution premise put forward.
  > > > >
  > > > > Sincerely,
  > > > >
  > > > > Gary Shelton
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > > > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:31 AM
  > > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > > A friend told me the whole moon landing thing was staged in Las
  > Vegas,
  > > > > that
  > > > > > the film crew all had untimely deaths later, and they were
  pacified
  > > with
  > > > > > hookers and parties during hte shoot.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > If they did go to the moon I'd like to know why not one single
  > > astronaut
  > > > > has
  > > > > > commented about observing the earth turning.  I realize that it
  > takes
  > > 12
  > > > > > hours for one side of the earth to completely move around, but it
  > > would
  > > > > > still be apparent to anyone looking that the earth was turning.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > If you went to the moon and believed the earth was turning,
  wouldn't
  > > you
  > > > > > want to brag about having seen it with your own two eyes?
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Cheryl
  > > > >
  > > > >
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