from PD: You've gone to considerable trouble -- you obviously want to see me convinced! Really? Then why is the posting addressed to the whole forum? A bit cheeky, old boy.. Clearly I have not had the time to do it justice, but there does seem to be a misunderstanding here -- at no time have I suggested that a satellite in high orbit is moving faster than, or even as fast as, a satellite in low orbit - at no time ..? how about Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:42:52 +0000 (GMT) The sacred Freelist archives are now invoked. From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Robert B From Robert Bennett Sun Jul 1 23:09:46 2007 Also, according to the citations, the Artemis team decided to slow down the satellite by ~200 m/s by firing RITA continuously in the opposite direction of motion for 340 days. Since the velocity is inversely proportional to the square root of the radius from Eq(3), this operation would cause the satellite to rise ~ 5000 km. You can't be serious. Reducing your velocity while in orbit will reduce your altitude not raise it. Unless of course you are basing your statement upon your own private definition of which direction any given satellite is orbiting. Are you so doing? Paul DMS offers many ways to resolve this contradiction. 1.. DENY! DENY! DENY!2.. There is no problem - MS allows contradictions.... in fact, thrives on them.3.. Say you were misquoted in one of the two posts4.. Blame Neville and Freelists for tampering with the archives. 5.. 'Reducing velocity to reduce altitude' does not mean that 'increasing velocity will increase altitude'. (see #2)Which one shall it be... or maybe a new creative one? I Googled 'Holmann transfer orbit' (you did offer it as a viable alternative) I don?t recall this offer. The author should either give us the corroborating quote, or stop misquoting my posts. I read this as such an offer - My suggestion... Here's two sites that I have patronized 1. http://www.nasa.gov/about/contact/ask_nasa_form.html 2. http://www.bautforum.com/ If it was a condition of engagement that I limit myself to just the sites you preferred, then you should have so specified. Let's see. RB suggests two links to find out the relation of speed and altitude for the Artemis spiral maneuver according to MS. PD interprets this as an offer to switch the subject to Hohman transfers, because he found that topic on the Web. RB says (now) that he doesn't care from whom, what or where PD gets the MS info - Stick to the subject! So, just a very liberal translation (PD) or a misquote (RB)? You decide, oh fair and balanced reader. At the moment I've got my numbers sorted on the geo orbital period problem and producing a pretty picture to illustrate these data is my current preoccupation Paul D A good thing we didn't hold our breath for this magnum opus - the sat. periods in GS frame . :) Neville wants proof of the counter-rotating aether - he anxiously awaits your summary chart... RB