Very good reasoning and I feel at peace with your answer. You are right it is the imense size of the universe that confused me. Surley it would be easier just to rotate the earth. But after all God can do anything he wants. Joshua chapter 10 verses 12 to 13: Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. From the book of Jasher chapter 88 verses 63 to 65. 63 And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies. 64 And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day. 65 And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel. Lovely scripturs.Makes sense. Have you heard of the book of Enoch and the book of the secrets of Enoch? Dan. "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dan, Forget the "science" for a moment. Let's reason from Scripture. Joshua asked God that he might be allowed to command the Sun and Moon to stand still. God granted this, and the Sun and Moon stood still for almost a whole day. If the World rotates, then there is no way to cater for this instruction, because stopping the World would not stop BOTH the Sun and the Moon (they go around at different rates). To make them APPEAR to stop, God would actually have to have INCREASED their speeds. And His command to them to stop would have thus been ignored. My guess is that you are hesitant about the stars' rotation because of the enormous size we are "taught" for the universe. But what if the universe were much, much smaller?? Keep thinking on this. Neville. Dan wrote: Neville, From my own personal observations from the movements of the sun and moon and stars I have come to the conclusion that yes the earth is at the centre and it cannot be moved. That for me is a fact confirmed to me by the word of God. However what I can not conclude on is do the stars move around a fixed earth or does the earth rotate clockwise and the stars are fixed and the sun moon and planets rotate at different speeds according to their distance from the earth? I feel that the earth rotates clockwise which gives us the elusion that the stars move around the earth.I may be wrong. Dan. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'