[geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:44:49 +1000
Several points to clear up here. later.. But if you are correct about both
sides of the U tube having the same level at the top which I doubt, ( consider
oil on one side. the less dense oil side will be higher in the tube) but if
you are correct, then my free energy from gravity model will have to be
restored.
I hated nanofarads, which came in late 60's or so. I knew what a mic and pic
were.. why complicate it with a 10 >-9???
Philip.
You are so negative.. you sounded disappointed if you couldn't find more that
two points of an hour long video to question.. Of course the ABc has to appear
impartial, so many people wrote in accusing them that they would not be.
However lets see how fair they are in the debate that follows. Not that it
matters global warming buzz word is out.. climate change buzz is now in..
global cooling has become the new danger from climate change.. watch it grow!
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
Philip M
You haven't heard any beeps 'cos I haven't beeped. I have noticed ABC
promoting GW Swindle. Not at all biased against so far as I can see. There are
a couple of relationships mentioned in the doco which do interest me, but being
the lazy sod that I am, I'm hoping to see some rebuttals by erudite folk on the
matter before I extend myself. Besides I've got about twenty other irons in the
fire -- far more than I can manage but always hopeful.
Reference your post From philip madsen Sun Jul 8 00:09:48 2007 (included
below)
'... and put it in the closed system of a U tube.' Do you remember an even
simpler experiment from school involving a lighted candle in the bottom of a
tall narrow cylindrical glass jar whose technical name escapes me at the
moment? The candle extinguishes quite quickly (would this be called
asphyxiation I wonder?) however if a jar wide sheet of something fireproof (I
think we used asbestos!!!) is inserted to a depth just above the flame, it
burns quite satisfactorily 'cos it now has an up chimney and a down chimney.
Now heat the bottom section of the left hand side. The water will expand due
to some heat being converted into mechanical work. (is it?yes basic
refrigeration principle actually) This expanding force lifts the height of the
fluid on the left side, overflowing it into the right hand side wherein it can
fall due to imbalanced sides.. Cute Eh! I'm afraid I have a problem here also.
May I first define the U-tube a bit more precisely? A U-tube definately. Open
at the tops and joined by a horizontal tube as before. The tube is filled with
water above the level of the cross tube but below the open tops. If we now heat
the water to one side of the U-bend -- say we insert an electric resistance
element into the left side such that it occupies the middle third of the tube
between the bottom and the cross connect -- and apply voltage, then the water
temperature will increase locally, the total water volume will increase and the
level of the water will rise equally in both of the open ends of the U-tube.
However, while the volume of water in each vertical half will be equal, one
side will be denser and hence heavier than the other. As a result, the heavier
water will displace the warmer water which will flow toward the closest top. So
long as there is a heat sink in the system, and the water does not boil, it
will circulate.
Off topic -- do you still need help calculating that jar capacitance? I've
got a formular or two but in the meantime, an early measure of capacitance was
the 'jar' (a gallon jar I suspect) which apparently was about 1nF. I haven't
kept too close tabs on this thread... FLASH!!! I just looked ahead and found
you've jumped in at the deep end. Something I remember from one of your earlier
posts which appeared wrong however, was the area. You can ONLY use the opposing
area -- if one plate is 1 sq ft and the other is 2 sq ft then the area is one
square foot. Goes without saying of course -- must be directly opposite as well.
thanks Paul You're very welcome I'm sure. |[:-)
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, 8 July, 2007 12:29:24 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
PS Paul I havn't heard any beeps from you since you seen the Global warming
Video? Don't forget the 3 hour special on ABC night 12th July I think. We
need to be there.. I might even fone in for once.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
Do I get a gold star?
Paul D
No! And if I was in your class, you'd ridicule me in front of the others
for my stupid question. er umm wait on, hey
I took your answer out of space and put it in the closed system of a U
tube. Heat applied at the bottom, does indeed cause the liquid to expand , and
in so doing we must assume some of the heat was converted into mechanical work.
Consider a U tube the top of which is the upper atmosphere let there be a
channel level between the to sides so that any fluid on overflowing from one
will flow to the other. Let them be full to the top.
Now heat the bottom section of the left hand side. The water will expand
due to some heat being converted into mechanical work. (is it?yes basic
refrigeration principle actually) This expanding force lifts the height of the
fluid on the left side, overflowing it into the right hand side wherein it can
fall due to imbalanced sides.. Cute Eh! why couldn't wiki answer the question,
and there goes one of my free energy machines still in my diary, which will now
have to be erased..
thanks Paul
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: inertia
Philip M
From philip madsen Sat Jul 7 20:35:53 2007
Joule = watt is also the unit of "power" When is energy converted? Is it
converted? When I place a bottle of beer in the freezer, don't I extract the
heat energy, and warm up the room? Yet the bottle bursts with enormous force
... end quote.
1 Joule = 1 WattSecond. Don't know the answer to the beer bottle though.
Use vodker instead -- it doesn't freeze and the problem(s!) go(es) away!
Concerning bouyancy and why does warm air with included water vapour rise
and where does the energy come from. How about this -- the energy from the Sun
heats the air/water in contact with the ground etc which expands (I'd guess it
does work pushing the cooler air aside) and the -- relatively -- unheated air
above being heavier just sinks due to gravity, the energy coming from the
higher potential due to altitude. A bit like tying a baloon to a fixed source
of compressed air at the bottom of a tank of water. Blow it up, stop when it's
less than full (depth matters here) then when everything stops moving, release
it. The water has more potential energy than the baloon due to both density and
height and it just bullies that little old baloon out of the way and occupies
the volume vacated. Do I get a gold star?
Paul D
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