Dear Philip, That's pretty much what I believe, so how do you reconcile all the other R.C. stuff like purgatory, the veneration of saints, Mary and her perpetual virginity etc? Jack That Jack, is a large question, requiring a detailed answer, and I do not think you were asking for one. I also believe that conversion comes by Grace, not coercion. People are either open to it, or are stubbornly opposed. Sounds like predestination, doesn't it. Such is the mystery of faith. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Lewis To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Fw: THE ATHANASIAN CREED Dear Philip, That's pretty much what I believe, so how do you reconcile all the other R.C. stuff like purgatory, the veneration of saints, Mary and her perpetual virginity etc? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism list Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Fw: THE ATHANASIAN CREED As you all know, I would be the last to lead any one here towards what is in this world today, claiming to be the Catholic Faith. Niether do I wish to cause dissention. Thus it seems the following should offend no one. If any feels offence, sorry, my intentions were benevolent , not inflammatory, and I would be happy to hear what part of this causes any hurt. Keep in mind that the Catholic faith herein referred to was at the time of St. Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria; Confessor and Doctor of the Church; born c. 296; died 2 May, 373. Philip. THE ATHANASIAN CREED