I personally don't believe in "perpetual motion machines" or "free energy" machines Allen.. what! You don't believe in the solar panels people have on their roofs, or the tidal generators and wind turbines around the world.. I can't believe it? And isn't the electron on its endless motion around the proton of the Hydrogen atom perpetual motion, till God destroys it? Thats if He can... It might be one of those impossible laws like the 2 sided triangle.. He reconstructs a new Jerusalem as I remember.. maybe from the same electron proton pairs. stop distracting me from serious research ... LOL Phil.